Is my treatment a bit aggressive?

Posted by Tom S @tomsherburne1, May 28 2:22pm

Hello, I have just been diagnosed with MPN with JAK2 mutation and negative for the other BCR/ABL 1 mutations. Platelets are 639 on 4/22/24. Everything else normal in CT scan and blood work looks good other than the elevated platelets. This was inadvertently discovered back in the winter when I saw a hormone replacement NP to see if i need testosterone as I was feeling very fatigued and low energy.
Hematologist prescribed HU 500 mg 1 x day. and I started baby asprin. Have been on HU for about 10 days and no real side effects that I can tell of, maybe a little bit of constipation and some fatigue
As well doctor has ordered a BMB, is this necessary?
All other blood work looks normal as well as spleen is normal and heart is normal and no indications of mono or other infections.

After reading a-lot on this cancer and HU and reading diffrent posts on here and other MPN support groups I am a bit concerned that doctor is being a bit aggressive with the HU. I am concerned it will lower my RBC which is really good and I am very active 6 or 7 days a week mountain biking, kayaking, backcountry skiing etc at high elevation. These are all the activities that I love and could never give up.

will HU reduce my RBC?
do you think that 500 mg 7 days a week is too much? I see some people saying they don't take HU and have a bit higher platelets.

What time of day is best to take the HU?

Thanks in advance still learning

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@eileen11108

Hi @dale1k
I am amazed at your high dose of HU since you say your RBC and platelets are consistently low. Has your hematologist ever considered lowering the dose? I have ET JAK2 and I do not know anything about HCT.
Eileen

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I have asked and was told to maintain this level… I always look at my test results and there are other tested items that are consistently way out of the norm… I have questioned this and am told that this is ok… I should mention that my oncologist reports directly to a MPN specialist… If I didn’t feel so good or had bad side effects from the HU, I would push this issue further… For now, I’ll defer to the experts…

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@mdterp76

I had similar numbers as yours when diagnosed in Jan. 2023 at age 69 with ET/Jak 2, no bone marrow test. My oncologist wanted to start me at HU 500 mg. 3/days week. I accepted 1x week for HU 500 mg, daily iron, and daily baby aspirin. After 18 months, I have settled in at 4x week with HU, 500 mg with each dose, daily iron, and daily aspirin. I'm not anemic, but I do have low iron levels. My platelets are in the low 500s after jumping back to 800K in April 2024. and I see the oncologist for blood work every 6 to 8 weeks depending on my numbers. I feel okay with some fatigue and very dry skin and dry eyes. How is your spleen? If it's okay, you may be able to drop back a bit on HU with the doctor's agreement. You may want to get a second opinion. Make sure your eyes are well protected. In the last year, I've lost the vision in my left eye due to corneal scarring. I had no injury or infection. My only change has been taking HU and having this blood cancer diagnosis of ET. I'm using lubricating eye drops 4 x day, plus prescription steroid eye drops for the eye with the scarring, 2-4 times daily to prevent further scarring. My right eye is fine, so I can drive and do my hobbies. I also had retinal hemorrhages in both eyes 6 and 7 years ago. Retina issues can be related to ET. Some loss of hair, but I had a lot so not too noticeable. I also take B12, Vit D, calcium, multivitamins, and Tumeric. Of course, consult your doctor before adding vitamins or herbals. I drink lots of water, green tea, and OJ with my iron. I stay away from processed foods. Take care, keep active, and eat healthy!
Karla

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Thanks for the info. I will be more diligent about my annual eye exam, as the retinal occluclusions associated with ET were off my radar. I see that ophthamlology journals do note this.

"Previous reports in the literature have discussed the presentation of essential thrombocythemia in association with ocular manifestations, most commonly presenting with central retinal vein occlusion, branch retinal vein occlusion, or central retinal artery occlusion."

From a 2021 article in the Canadian Jrnl of Ophthamlology
https://www.canadianjournalofophthalmology.ca/article/S0008-4182(21)00416-6/fulltext

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@tomsherburne1

Hi Lori, thanks for your words of encouragement, I appreciate it very much.
I will be back and report back on results. I am just really questioning the use of HU and the side effects mainly on my endurance at high elevation, eg the reduction in HG and Red blood cells. Hopefully , I am responding well and my number will come down and the dosage will be adjusted.

Thanks everyone

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Hi, had bmbtwo days ago went pretty smmoth,and blood work back; plts down 107k to 532k from 639 after 3 weeks on HU, also rbc, wbc, and hct down a bit to by 4%.

Will have more blood down in 24th formy follow up for bmb. Feeling much better overall, but some days are harder than others. Still have numbness/ tingling in feet.

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@tomsherburne1

Hi, had bmbtwo days ago went pretty smmoth,and blood work back; plts down 107k to 532k from 639 after 3 weeks on HU, also rbc, wbc, and hct down a bit to by 4%.

Will have more blood down in 24th formy follow up for bmb. Feeling much better overall, but some days are harder than others. Still have numbness/ tingling in feet.

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Hi Tom! The blood numbers look encouraging with a nice decrease in the platelets. The bmbx will give a good overall picture of the health of your bone marrow…the heart of your blood production. So the results will be useful for your doctor going forward and making decisions for your continued treatment.
You might discuss the possibility of a lower dosage with them once your numbers reach an optimum level for maintenance. There are a number of members who have had reductions once their numbers were stable, to help minimize side effects. Have you talked about the numbness/tingling with your doctor? Do they feel it’s from the HU or the ET?

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@loribmt

Hi Tom! The blood numbers look encouraging with a nice decrease in the platelets. The bmbx will give a good overall picture of the health of your bone marrow…the heart of your blood production. So the results will be useful for your doctor going forward and making decisions for your continued treatment.
You might discuss the possibility of a lower dosage with them once your numbers reach an optimum level for maintenance. There are a number of members who have had reductions once their numbers were stable, to help minimize side effects. Have you talked about the numbness/tingling with your doctor? Do they feel it’s from the HU or the ET?

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Actually think it's the ET, I have this going on for a few years, seems to be improving on aspirinand HU, as well as improvement with a few minor issues with dry skin and itching. But have minor itching after showers. Very encouraged by the response to HU

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Hello,
You mention you have PV. I have an MPN specifically PV and on hydrox..which if able to tolerate it, it's the mainstay drug of choice. I started out with hydrox with phlebotomies twice to get my numbers down. They are down which I'm grateful for and haven't needed a phlebotomy for over a year which is good news, I'm within normal limits with hydrox and baby asa. If your numbers are good, without symptoms from hydrox, able to perform all the exercise you love with excellent energy levels consider yourself lucky. That's not to say your hydrox prescription is optimal, the best thing is to have a discussion with your hematologist regarding the dose and blood levels. You are the first person that has not complained about fatigue but instead your energy levels are excellent...I would give anything to say that's my situation. Good luck and partner up with your hematologist, ask relevant questions and expect relevant answers ..If you don't feel comfortable with the answers with appropriate rationale then it's time for a new hematologist.

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@jackiecarey

Hello,
You mention you have PV. I have an MPN specifically PV and on hydrox..which if able to tolerate it, it's the mainstay drug of choice. I started out with hydrox with phlebotomies twice to get my numbers down. They are down which I'm grateful for and haven't needed a phlebotomy for over a year which is good news, I'm within normal limits with hydrox and baby asa. If your numbers are good, without symptoms from hydrox, able to perform all the exercise you love with excellent energy levels consider yourself lucky. That's not to say your hydrox prescription is optimal, the best thing is to have a discussion with your hematologist regarding the dose and blood levels. You are the first person that has not complained about fatigue but instead your energy levels are excellent...I would give anything to say that's my situation. Good luck and partner up with your hematologist, ask relevant questions and expect relevant answers ..If you don't feel comfortable with the answers with appropriate rationale then it's time for a new hematologist.

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Thanks, no PV, ET, I do have some fatigue. I consider myself fortunate. Just want to Keep it that way! Thanks for your advice

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I have been taking 600mgs of HU(Droxia formulation) since PMF diagnosis in 2018. It has lowered my platelets to normal range, while my other counts remain normal. My LDH is elevated at 200 above normal, and my hematologist says it's just a result of PMF. I also think the HU helps to keep my spleen from enlarging. I'm 77 and JAK2+

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I have been taking 600mgs of HU(Droxia formulation) since PMF diagnosis in 2018. It has lowered my platelets to normal range, while most of my other counts remain normal. My LDH(lactate dehydrogenase) is elevated at 200 above normal, and my hematologist says it's often associated with PMF; it has been elevated since I was tested at diagnosis and subsequently. I also think the HU helps to keep my spleen from enlarging. I'm 77 and JAK2+. I had a NGS test 3 yrs ago for 203 mutations associated with blood disorders, and I was positive for ASXL1, TET2, and RUNX1. The significance of those mutations for me remains uncertain, although they are often associated with worse overall survival(OS), and with progression to acute myelocytic leukemia. I have not had significant side effects from the Droxia, and my PMF symptoms have been mild itching, and moderate fatigue. I exercise daily, and eat a noninflammatory diet. I also take 81mg of aspirin daily and 5 mgs of Eliquis twice/day.

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