PMR - Decreased prednisone and pain returned

Posted by alan bruce @alanbruce, Dec 29, 2018

I was at 2mg for 6 weeks of prednisone and decided go down to 1 1/2 and after 2 weeks I started to have pain in my shoulders. Will 1/2 a mg make a that sort of difference. I have been on prednisone for 18 months and have gone up and down before... Any recommendation on what to increase the predisone to.

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@dadcue

I was never sold the idea that I would be "pain free." I was told the pain would be managed with prednisone and the pain would be more tolerable. Yes ... the pain was more tolerable when I took enough prednisone but never was I pain free during the more 12 years I took predisone.

I was able to taper off prednisone. My steroid withdrawal symptoms were rather painful. I had to keep reminding myself that PMR was in remission. After being off Prednisone for almost 3 years ... I still have some pain but the symptoms aren't anything like the onset of PMR.

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I was totally pain free within 3 hours of my first 10 mg dose of pred and stayed that way until i tapered down to 7.

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@ekgilpin1

My rheumatologist told me the opposite. She said if I’m still experiencing pain, PMR is still present. I don’t know who to believe anymore.
I have tapered down on Prednisone to 3.5 mg. I found that tapering by 1/4 mg at a time and staying on it for two weeks works best for me. I do have some minimal pain, mostly in my arms. But it has not increased.
I plan on having my adrenal glands tested when I get down to 3 mg. This has been a two-year journey for me.

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@ekgilpin1 The blood tests will confirm it for you.

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@spmgka

@ekgilpin1 The blood tests will confirm it for you.

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You mean the inflammation markers should be in normal range?

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@ekgilpin1

You mean the inflammation markers should be in normal range?

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Yes, or significantly reduced.

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I have weaned down to 1 mg 3 times and each time I get pain in my shoulders so I would up the dose again.
I have been reading a lot of comments from others about pain in shoulders while weaning off steroids . I find this to be very mysterious.
I switched to a new Rheumatologist who believes I no longer have PMR and that I probably have not had it for the past 1-2 years and I should get off steroids. I’m down to 2.5 mg and will quickly get off even with mild shoulder pain and hope it resolves itself or I will just live with it. I would love to someday know what the shoulder and upper arm pain is from.

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Does anyone know or think Prednisone can cause (permanent?) muscle damage?

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@abbeyc

Does anyone know or think Prednisone can cause (permanent?) muscle damage?

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Corticosteroid induced myopathy happens but the damage usually isn't permanent.
https://pubmed.ncbi.nlm.nih.gov/32491663/
Minimizing dose and duration of treatment is the most important safeguard to prevent this.

"Glucocorticoids have a direct catabolic effect on muscle, decreasing protein synthesis and increasing the rate of protein catabolism leading to muscle atrophy."
https://www.physio-pedia.com/Myopathy_Steroid_Induced

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@dadcue

Corticosteroid induced myopathy happens but the damage usually isn't permanent.
https://pubmed.ncbi.nlm.nih.gov/32491663/
Minimizing dose and duration of treatment is the most important safeguard to prevent this.

"Glucocorticoids have a direct catabolic effect on muscle, decreasing protein synthesis and increasing the rate of protein catabolism leading to muscle atrophy."
https://www.physio-pedia.com/Myopathy_Steroid_Induced

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Yes thank you. I heard of myopathy from steroids. I should have been more clear with my question

But does this myopathy cause muscle pain? I have not found info that talks about pain. Just weakness.

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@dadcue

Corticosteroid induced myopathy happens but the damage usually isn't permanent.
https://pubmed.ncbi.nlm.nih.gov/32491663/
Minimizing dose and duration of treatment is the most important safeguard to prevent this.

"Glucocorticoids have a direct catabolic effect on muscle, decreasing protein synthesis and increasing the rate of protein catabolism leading to muscle atrophy."
https://www.physio-pedia.com/Myopathy_Steroid_Induced

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The links you and others often provide are helpful, and can avoid repetitive explanations. Wishing that the admins would establish a library of PMR-relevant links to reputable academic sources (e.g., nih) that relate to the recurring issues presented by participants.

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@abbeyc

I have weaned down to 1 mg 3 times and each time I get pain in my shoulders so I would up the dose again.
I have been reading a lot of comments from others about pain in shoulders while weaning off steroids . I find this to be very mysterious.
I switched to a new Rheumatologist who believes I no longer have PMR and that I probably have not had it for the past 1-2 years and I should get off steroids. I’m down to 2.5 mg and will quickly get off even with mild shoulder pain and hope it resolves itself or I will just live with it. I would love to someday know what the shoulder and upper arm pain is from.

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The lack of production of cortisol. The use of the steroids and the taper actually re-creates the PMR. This is from the NIH . Nat Institue of Health. sorry its in Dr language. "Cortisol dysfunction results in unmodulated inflammation following reactivation of the stress response, which may contribute to a cycle of inflammation, depression, and pain; pain is a stressor that may reactivate a proinflammatory stress response, now unmodulated due to cortisol dysfunction."

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