Vocal Cord dysfunction?

Posted by mermaid7272 @mermaid7272, Jun 11, 2020

Has anyone had a very frightening episode, very similar to drowning, where your vocal cords spasm, and close? No air can get in your lungs and it literally feels like you will die without air.
This has happened 3 times, a long (several years or months) time between attacks. It lasts about 2-3 minutes but of course feels much longer.
I do have appointment with a ENT dr. in several weeks, but am frightened it will happen again before I see him.
Any exercise or preventative hints?

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Just a thought: Could these be esophageal spasms and not vocal chord spasms? My husband use to have esophageal spasms and it would feel like he couldn't breathe and would he would remind himself to breathe through his nose. They went away on their own, but, it was scary. Praying for you relief. Blessings....

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@trishjune23

Yes, I have experienced the spasms you describe about 5 times. The first time was the scariest because it was while I was sleeping. Didn't know what was happening; could not breathe in or out or speak. Jumped out of bed, ran into the bathroom and tried splashing water in my face. Husband came in and tried to perform the Heimlich maneuver because he thought I was choking on something. A few minutes later, I was able to wheeze and breathe slightly. Within 15 minutes was breathing normally.

Didn't talk to a doctor till the next episode about a month later. After the first episode, all episodes happened while eating or drinking. Then I also started having intermittent right ear sensations. I was having vague breathing problems that I managed to compensate for by using techniques found in this book: Breath by James Nestor.

A few months later saw a pulmonologist to be cleared for a colonoscopy. She diagnosed me with dysfunctional vocal cords and recommended avoiding acidic foods, mint, coffee, etc, and sleeping with head elevated. Also prescribed an inhaler which I eventually realized wasn't doing anything. Also that summer, "valley fever" was ruled out for my breathing problems. Lung scan showed lots of old nodules. Pulmonologist wondered if I had been sick a lot as a kid producing these nodules.

About 3 months later became so sick that I could not swallow anything liquid or solid for 3 days and was out for a week from work. The Primary Care doctor thought that I had a combination of flu and something else (don't remember). Medication seemed to clear it up and went back to work.

Physician recommended seeing an ENT. 3 months later, an ENT scoped my throat and said that my right vocal cord was frozen. This was what was causing the laryngospasms. He ordered a neck scan to see what was causing the frozen vocal cord. The scan showed that there was a mass in my throat, partially blocking my breathing airway and touching my right vocal cord and approaching my carotid artery. The biopsy showed that the mass was thyroid cancer. At this point, he referred me to 2 ENT surgeons. FYI its not clear why I got thyroid cancer, so perhaps genetic.

I ended up going to Mayo Clinic because they were my best chance to take care of the cancer without losing my voice box. Further scans showed that the thyroid cancer had also spread to my lungs. Met with the Mayo Clinic cancer doctors about any options to try and save my ability to speak. They determined that the cancer was too far along and aggressive. Early September, my larynx was removed and spent one week in the hospital. Had NG tube for awhile at home and only eating soft food. Went back to work for one week but was then told by HR that I was not ready to go back to work since I could not speak.

Next month, found out from cancer team that I would need 30, currently at 24, radiation treatments to hopefully get rid of any remaining cancer cells. The radiation treatment has been difficult for 3 reasons. 1) Lying flat without coughing is hard for me, 2) have no desire to eat ( due to some pain when swallowing and food tasting weird) yet I need to eat to keep my weight up so the mask fits properly and neck heals and 3) uncomfortable neck edema and skin redness and blistering. In January, will start chemo. Hoping to return to work at the end of January.

The moral of this story, is if you have any problems with your neck or throat, see an ENT earlier rather than later. Your neck is involved in eating, drinking, speaking, and breathing!

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What is the status of your paralyzed vocal cord? Until they position mine, first temporarily by inflating it and a year later with an implant I would aspirate. They have to view the process by moving the functioning vocal fold until they position the paralyzed one to close the gap. The doctor would tell me to make a variety of vowel sounds until the two matched up. I realize the cancer is very serious, but I don't understand how you can eat properly until it is resolved.

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Hi,

About 30 years ago our son started having breathing/chocking episodes and was diagnosed by his pediatrician with what he though was asthma. After eventually ending up on corticosteroids with no improvement the doctor suggested bringing him in during an attack since we were close to his office. When the next one occurred the doctor could see that the issue was his vocal cords closing up and not with his lungs. The condition at that time was called Paradoxical Vocal Cord Dysfunction and the most knowledgeable doctors on the subject were at the University of Colorado. I searched on that subject today and there are multiple university’s listed now so I would recommend that you review that information and then identify a doctor that is familiar with the condition. We found out that for our son the condition was set off by strong smells like when new tar was being installed on the roof of his school and when he walked in a restroom and an air freshener sprayed out. After working with a speech therapist to learn deep breathing to relax and not panic when a chocking episode occurred he was able to able to better handle each event. As I remember his doctor also prescribed tessalon perles which helped make his attacks not last as long. The good news is that his issue eventually resolved as he got older. If you are looking for an answer I am praying that is helpful to you and others on this site that are discussing this condition.
I will now continue to look for answers to my current issue.

Have a great day!
Dave

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It could be one of many reasons but to me, who is presently going through 2 MRI’s, 2 cat scans of me swallowing contrast solution so they can see what’s going on. And I still have more tests coming eventually landing in a minor issue.

Sounds like you may have a semi or complete paralyzing of both vocal cords or “folds as they’re called. My right vocal cord is paralyzed. It doesn’t work at all making it useless for breathing and talking or choking hazard.

I have a good left vocal cord taking up the slack. You may have both vocal cords compromised. This would at times, choke on liquids and solid foods. Even a simple act of swallowing saliva can choke you temporarily.

As for me just having one it creates a choking sensation when food or liquid tries to go down my esophagus . It also creates a sensation once in a while of having breathing issues. If both cords are paralyzed they won’t open as much as you need air to breathe. They normally are corrected by swallowing water or drink at mealtimes. I have to have a drink every time I go to eat. I must have that drink or I can choke. While they say it’s rare to have both paralyzed it’s still scary to have just one.
Surgery is usually done to stick fat from your body and push it in the middle between the the cords.This creates a pretty good chance of healing by leaving them in the open position allowing you to breathe and not choke. You definitely meet to see an ENT for tests and exploration with a soft flexible tube scope through your nose or mouth. Mine was by my nose. It feels funny but it does work.
Last but not least, whether you have both repaired or not you will probably need speech therapy. My voice had gone soft and I had to stop mid sentence to take a breath but that’s what the speech therapist does. Good luck!

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@luris1515

My son who is stationed in Turkey with USAF has been trying for 5 months now to explain to his doctor these (chocking)episodes and she has dismissed them and said its mental. He recently ended up having turbinate reduction due to this same negligence and also septoplasty. After the surgery these chocking episodes that last a few minutes have been happening more than 3 times a day.
I'm so scared for him and I don't know how to help him. We started a bland diet to reduce the acid in the stomach because that was a big factor as well. If anyone has any insight as to what he can say to convinced this doctor that he has this condition please let me know, or anything that can help him get through these rough moments everyday. Thank you

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Hi Mom,
I have never responded to any of these posts, however, after reading yours, I felt I needed to reach out. What you son may have is VCD it could be Vocal Cord Dysfunction. Many times its cause by GERD, Stress, Irritation , who knows. I started 20 years ago after giving birth. My episodes are triggered by any irritant in the throat ( it can be perfumes, pepper, dry mouth etc)
They come and go very sporadically and it's very frightening. In my case my vocal cords close tight, not allowing air in, then it is difficult to breath and I get a strider sound. If people are around they think I am having an asthma attack. In actuality, with asthma you can not breath out, with VCD you can not get air in. VCD is not dangerous, but is extremely frightening and stressful. If this is what your son is going thru, he needs to talk to the Dr about it. It's not easy to diagnosis because you usually have to be having an episode so the ENT can see the vocal cords in distress. If ( and I stress the word IF because I am not a Dr ) your son has VCD there is no cure, but there are ways to handle the episodes and make things better.

FIRST when going thru a spasm, remain as calm as you can. He needs to go to a Speech Therapist who can also show him exercises to help with the spasms and relax the cords.
I always make sure I purse my lips ( like breathing thru a straw ) breath slow twice thru nose and purse the lips and try to let air out slowly. I also drink water thru a straw when I am having an episode if I can.
SECOND see an ENT and then hopefully a speech therapist
THIRD a humidifier may help, the dry air where he is stationed maybe be adding to the condition
I wished I read this earlier, but I am having more episodes lately and needed a little support!

Hang in there and please thank you son for his service!
GOD BLESS

Again, I am not sure if this is what he actually has, but if it is, VCD is not dangerous just extremely stressful. Breathing exercises will help. It's hard to stay calm when you feel like you are drowning ( actually called dry drowning ) and can't breath. If it is VCD you are getting some air in. Good Luck

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I have had a tickle in my throat and chronic coughing for a few years. Asthma and allergies were ruled out. An ENT suggested that the muscles around my vocal cords were atrophying. He wanted to inject collagen into my vocal cords and if that worked for a few months suggests a more permanent solution. I was kind of freaked out by his suggestion. Has anyone tried this? If so was the procedure successful?

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Some of what I read suggested that not being able to breathe is not so dangerous. If both vocal cords are paralyzed the ent doctor said that I could suffocate. That scared me but I’m working to have at least one working. Both cords paralysis is very rare. Usually it only involves one witch is bad enough.

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@andytheman

Some of what I read suggested that not being able to breathe is not so dangerous. If both vocal cords are paralyzed the ent doctor said that I could suffocate. That scared me but I’m working to have at least one working. Both cords paralysis is very rare. Usually it only involves one witch is bad enough.

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@andytheman, my vocal cords slowly paralyzed after radiation, and then having Covid twice. At first, it was a struggle to breathe. Yet, as it progressively worsened, even bending down to pick a flower became life-threatening. If it weren't for Primatene Mist Spray (while waiting for Tracheotomy surgery) I would have suffocated. Having a Tracheotomy is the best thing that could have happened. Now I breathe freely, plus any mucus is right there to be coughed out the tube. Before the surgery, the mucus was trapped. Best wishes to you.

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@thomason

@andytheman, my vocal cords slowly paralyzed after radiation, and then having Covid twice. At first, it was a struggle to breathe. Yet, as it progressively worsened, even bending down to pick a flower became life-threatening. If it weren't for Primatene Mist Spray (while waiting for Tracheotomy surgery) I would have suffocated. Having a Tracheotomy is the best thing that could have happened. Now I breathe freely, plus any mucus is right there to be coughed out the tube. Before the surgery, the mucus was trapped. Best wishes to you.

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Good for you. I don’t think I’ll end up with a tracheotomy because my left one has picked up the slack. One cord picking up the slack is not the same as having left and right cords.
But I’m going in for surgery and I don’t know yet what he’s thinking to do but next week I’ll be seeing him for the first time since all the tests. I’m excited about it.

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There are many options as you know. I considered a Cordotomy, where they cut an opening in the vocal cords somehow. But it comes with risks like aspirating liquids and losing the ability to speak for the rest of a person's life. There were other procedures not suitable for someone that has had radiation. Apparently, some of the procedures can cause radiated tissue to literally begin to necrotize. By now, I am used to having the Tracheotomy and usually do not even notice it is there. Yet, I am happy you are considering doing this, and pray for it to be successful. One last thing: My ENT told me that sometimes the vocal cords will snap out of it and begin working again. Usually though, this happens within the first year of the cords freezing up.

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