Pain pump, I have one, how about one for you?

Posted by Stephen @wsh66, Nov 9, 2018

I have had an implanted pain pump in my abdomen for about 18 months. It is a miracle. I get a total of 4.764 mgs. of Dilaudid, If I administer all of the 10 extra micro does I can have in 24 hours. If I don't use those extra doses I get 2.74 mgs. over 24 hours. The effect is 300 times more effective than if I took the same dose orally. I go to my doctors office every 3 months to have the pump refilled. I'm there for about 15 minutes. The actual process of refilling the pump takes no more than 5 minutes and is painless. No prescriptions to worry about, no one wondering if I'm misusing or selling my pain meds, no one making me feel like a drug addict or a criminal. In our current climate this is even more important than it was two years ago. Many Doctors want nothing to do with pain patients or writing scripts for pain meds. I know many of you have been there. This method is especially good for back issues as the drug is delivered via a catheter which runs up my spin. Yes, I still have pain but it's pain I can live with. If your Doctor doesn't know about this or doesn't want to do it contact a pain clinic. The Doctor who put mine in is a Neurosurgeon. If you have any questions please respond.

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@heisenberg34

I have very similar symptoms. No doctor can pinpoint the exact source of my pain. The pump gave me decent relief for about a week. Then it kind of stopped. They are perplexed. I am at a relatively high dosage, but what is too high? We just moved to Delaware so I have to find new docs.

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That's terrible - no blockage? What a bad time to move. This is the type of care I'm afraid of missing. if I do it. Still undecided. It sure would be nice to be able to get out of bed with little pain vs what I do today! Sounds SO nice - but I'm afraid of all the issues. Seems like there is quite a few, by many people.
I hope you find a new Dr. quickly! I don't live there, else I would offer to help. Maybe someone else on the list is from there?

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@wsh66

I have had several back issues for many years. I suppose there is one diagnosis that would explain it all but that hasn't come my way. I had a disk removed 14 years ago after 10 years of pain. Not successful. The operation was to take 45 minutes. It took over 3 hours due to large amounts of scar tissue around my spin. No explanation for the scaring. In 2011 I had 3 vertebrae fused in my neck. Same situation. A 45 minute operation that took more than 3 hours because of scar tissue. That was successful. I also had carpel tunnel surgery, partially successful. I had a lot of pain in my hands and arms caused by repeated motions in my work as a glass artist. (See stephenhodder.com). Both of my feet are deformed and have also been a source of pain. I've had shoulder and knee surgery, both to relieve pain, both unsuccessful. My ability to walk is greatly limited by sciatica. I use a cane and/or a walker. Before the pump I also used a wheel chair. I also have arthritis.

I was treated with various opioids starting with 5 mg. Hydrocodon. I went off them and back on them etc. I was given Tramadol when it first hit the market. I tried nsaids, I use Celebrex, Tylenol, and lidocaine patches. I kept getting worse until I had to retire from most of my work in 2007 and then retire completely in 2011 from anything to do with glass. I was given morphine which was not effective. I was given larger and larger doses of Oxycontin and then Dilaudid was added along with Valium for cramping. It would work for awhile and then my deterioration would out pace the drugs. I had also tried Fentanyl patches which hadn't worked well for me. I was never given enough medication to completely end my pain and that is important. If you take enough to actually end your pain you run the risk of having some left in your system after your pain is gone. That's when the brain says. "Party time", and you get high. You get high, you get addicted. I also want to add at this point, no one over prescribed for me. Getting meds was like pulling teeth. I don't really believe everyone who says the Doctor got me addicted. I believe many of those who got a habit got it by misusing the drug they were given.

Throughout this time I was accused of being an addict. I was made to feel like a criminal. At one point one of the only Docs that would treat pain patients at my clinic was told they could no longer write for pain med. Most patients were left high and dry. I refused to accept that and said fine, get me another Doctor who will continue my treatment. Reluctantly they did. When that Doctor retired they got me another. On one hand there were doctors who tried their best to help me, on the other hand there was a system being put into play to make my treatment impossible.

Then came the cancer. A very rare and not well understood sarcoma. Driving was one of the hardest things for me to do and now I had to do a 2 hour round trip for radiation everyday for a month. My adult son just about carried me in to my last treatment. While being treated for sarcoma at the U of MN I learned about the Pain Management clinic and got started there. I met with a Psychiatrist and a Neurologist. We discussed the neurostimulator and the pain pump. Meanwhile they took over my meds. It was great. No one distrusted me, I was treated with respect, not that other doctors hadn't treated me well but none possessed their level of understanding. They raised my drug levels significantly and recognized that I would need treatment for the rest of my life. I should note that this clinic also makes determination that some patients can do without narcotics and helps them achieve that goal. My doctors decided the pain pump would be right for me but I couldn't get it right away. My cancer treatment nearly killed me and I kept ending up in the hospital with no immune system. I had already had radiation, surgery and some chemo. I had very large chemo doses but could never finish the course of treatment that was prescribed. I had to wait one year after my last infection to have the pain pump surgery. Part of the surgery involves running a catheter up your spine to leak the drug directly where the problem is and if an infection got into that catheter it would have been curtains for me.

I had my surgery in early 2016. By that time I was taking 200 mgs. of oxycontin and 32 mgs. of Dilaudid and 20 mgs. of valium daily and was still have severe pain. (32 mgs. of Dilaudid equals about another 100 mgs. of Oxycontin.) Over the 72 hours following surgery my oral meds were cut to 60 mgs. of Oxycontin and 16 mgs. of dilaudid and no valium. Shortly after that the oxycontin was reduced to 30 mgs. Recently I stopped taking the oxycontin on a regular basis. I still have the 16 mgs. of Dilaudid if I need it. My Doctor believe these small amounts of oral drugs have a very beneficial placebo effect and I am inclined to agree. I plan to give them up this year at least long enough to determine if they are still useful but they are in truth, miniscule doses compared to what the pump delivers.

In the months following my operation I saw my Surgeon regularly. The pump he placed in my abdomen was controlled by a remote that he had. It also recorded every dose I got. With each visit he turned it up a little more until it would not be prudent to turn it any higher. At too high a level you run the risk of flooding the sensors in your spin and rendering the meds useless. So now I have the pump inside my abdomen and the catheter running up my spine. I'm getting about 2.74 mgs. of Dilaudid every 24 hours plus I can give my self 10 "bumps" of about .01 mgs in 24 hours by holding a remote control over the pump and pressing a button. The pump records all these doses and when you took them which helps the Doctor know if he needs to turn the pump up more. Unless I'm up and walking or standing I don't experience much back pain. I sleep through the night most nights. My cancer treatment which appears to have been successful left me with severe neuropathy in my hands and feet. I take Amitriptyline and Lyrica for that as well as for leg pain caused by the compression garment I wear on my right let 23 hours per day. Part of my sarcoma treatment was the removal of 20 Lymph nods in my abdomen which now requires the compression along with daily massage to maintain good health. I've been back in the gym for over a year using a Nu-step machine which is a seated cross trainer. No load on the back. I also did a fairly aggressive course to PT after getting my pump. I did many courses of PT over the years along with anything else anyone could think of. Electro Sonograms, Rolfing, Craniosacral release, which by the way is just fantastic if you get someone who is properly trained in how to do it, trigger point release etc. etc. I did it all. You had to jump through all those hoops in order to get any meds at all which may or may not be a good thing. PT did help me, Cranial sacral release was a Godsend, other things, not so much.

Before the pain pump my life was not really worth living. I couldn't do any of the things I done for years like walking, dancing, bow hunting, fishing, blowing glass and gardening. I still don't do many of those things but I do still cook and play the guitar and sing. I was just starting to get professional work when I got cancer. After cancer I had to relearn everything about music and I don't know if I'll ever work again but I haven't given up. The neuropathy took the feeling in the ends of my fingers so I had to start over with the guitar. Exertion is hard as I lost a lung to the chemo treatments and the chronic pneumonia that came with the chemo.

Looking back at what I've written here it sounds like it's been one hell of a ride. But let's get real. At this moment I have no pain anywhere in my body. That will change as the day goes on but that's not in this moment. The fog that came with the high doses of oral meds is gone, I'm clear as a bell, an old bell but a bell none the less. I have more quality of life than I had in the 10 years before the pump. I go to my Doctor every 3 months for a pump refill. It takes all of 15 minutes in his office, the actual procedure is almost painless and take about 3 minutes. Every five years I will get a new pump but who knows, the next one might be good for the rest of my life. This is new technology and it's getting better everyday. My max dose is now about 4.674 mgs. per day if I take all 10 bumps which I never do. Meds taken with the pump are about 300 time more effective than taken orally. That the equivalent of 1400 mgs. of Dilaudid with non of the side effects. No drowsiness, no constipation that a little fiber and a good diet won't handle. If the pump fails, its default is to shut down in which case I would according to my doctor experience withdrawal and need to get to an emergency room. Big deal. Nothing is risk free. We choose to go on and live or we lay down and die. Clearly, I have made my choice.

I believe the pump is a good choice for anyone who will be in pain for the rest of their lives. Try everything else first if you must. If you can be fixed get fixed. If you can't, and other treatments don't work, consider the pump.

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This was an incredibly educational post. Thank you. I have an SCS that is working for me. But it is good to know there is something out there if it failed. I am so thankful for scientific research in this area.

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I have a back pain stimulator in my back it has leeds that are on my spine a battery that is implanted underneath the skin on my side that connects to it and a remote device that I can adjust how much I can stimulate the pain level I'm having and where my pain is hurting the most .
Also has a charger for the battery that's in my side to charge it .Sometimes when I feel it needs to be adjusted to my pain level I go to the clinic and I set by a small device that looks kind of like a cell phone it connected to a computer that shows the inside of my stimulator in my back and he can move up or down the leeds to help me where I hurt the most and I just tell him when I feel relief .This is by Boston Scientific. I've had it for five years had to have it replaced last year and it is a upgraded one if I ever need another one all they have to do is download the newest technology to it and I'm a set .I feel like the bionic woman. It doesn't take away all my pain but it helps some for some it does take away all pain ,go on the website and check it out

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Wow. Great technology!!

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@gailmollin

...hello, I suffer from chronic back and leg pain from sciatica and deg. discs and did not want to go the opiad route but what you sàid is interesting but has many questions.
How do you know if medication will help before putting in the pump and
You still face long term side effects from the meds and
How does the problem of needing to increase doses overtime than
Faced with an addiction ...
Would you say this method is a last resort when all else fails?

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From what I understand. The doctor does a simple test by injecting a dose of pain killing meds in your spine. If you respond well to this you are a good candidate for installing a pain pump. They also can fill the pump with non-narcotic analgesics.

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Hello I was wondering if I could ask a question, I see your total dose of dilaudid per day now is 4.76 mg. My question is at what dose did this start at and how long did it take to get the dose your are at now . I am just now starting the process and my doctor started mine out at 0.4999 mg a day and I'm not really seeing a whole lot of pain relief now. However, this is just the very first time it got filled up and he did say that it was a process of slowly increase the pain pump while slowly decreasing my pain oral medicine but I was just curious as to your experience? Thank you

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@terissa

Hello I was wondering if I could ask a question, I see your total dose of dilaudid per day now is 4.76 mg. My question is at what dose did this start at and how long did it take to get the dose your are at now . I am just now starting the process and my doctor started mine out at 0.4999 mg a day and I'm not really seeing a whole lot of pain relief now. However, this is just the very first time it got filled up and he did say that it was a process of slowly increase the pain pump while slowly decreasing my pain oral medicine but I was just curious as to your experience? Thank you

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Good question. My pump trial went great. So, ZI had the implant done. They slowly increased the dosage 4 or 5 times before I could feel any relief. After the next adjustment my pain dropped down to about a 2. Wonderful! That lasted about one week. Then the pain all returned. No additional increases helped. The pump has shown to be working fine (really)?

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@gailmollin

...hello, I suffer from chronic back and leg pain from sciatica and deg. discs and did not want to go the opiad route but what you sàid is interesting but has many questions.
How do you know if medication will help before putting in the pump and
You still face long term side effects from the meds and
How does the problem of needing to increase doses overtime than
Faced with an addiction ...
Would you say this method is a last resort when all else fails?

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I am an 80yo woman with ailments that pretty much mirrored yours. I also have digestive issues that made decide there must be a better way. I was on morphine for 8 years 4 times per day. I wanted to get that out of my stomach and liver so I pursued the pump. I am at one month now and woke up on the table 100% pain free. Recovery is 6 to 8 weeks, but aside from that, I feel like a new woman. A tiny fraction of morphine delivered straight to your pain center in the brain rather than 15 mg 4 times a day is brilliant. Wouldn't change a thing!

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@bestoflife

I am an 80yo woman with ailments that pretty much mirrored yours. I also have digestive issues that made decide there must be a better way. I was on morphine for 8 years 4 times per day. I wanted to get that out of my stomach and liver so I pursued the pump. I am at one month now and woke up on the table 100% pain free. Recovery is 6 to 8 weeks, but aside from that, I feel like a new woman. A tiny fraction of morphine delivered straight to your pain center in the brain rather than 15 mg 4 times a day is brilliant. Wouldn't change a thing!

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Wonderful! I wish you many years of pain-free living.

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I have a pain pump also, a little over a month ago. No one ever says do you ever get to lie on your surgical side? I am a little weary of sleeping all nite on back and one side!!!

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