Should I worry about a high Calcium score

Posted by paul63 @paul63, Jun 15, 2023

Should I be worried about my 600 CAC score, which apparently means I’ve arteries of an 85 year old yet I feel 35. I’m 60, very fit, always kept fit (triathlete), eat very well, avoid processed foods, low carb (target 100g/day), avoid sugar & grains, quality beef, salmon, organic veggies etc. BMI is good, Not diabetic, not on any
meds, my RHR is in the 40’s and 5 days a week I’ll push it into the 150’s during training sessions, had a stress test a year ago, passed with flying colors.
I took the CAC test as I’ve always had slightly high LDL 150, but low TG 70 and high HDL 70 & my doc has been trying to convince me to take statins for a few years, so I agreed with the test.
I now read about the statin paradox (statins cause increase in calcification in blood vessels, but lower plaque, however it seems the jury is out on if statins are a good idea or not, hence the paradox). So not sure whether to take a statin.
Dr says its genetic, my father had a triple bypass at 75.
I do have an appt to see a cardiologist in the fall.
I have decided to hold off on the statin until after I see the cardiologist, hoping he can offer other options perhaps to assess the arteries in 3D to check for build up.
Are high CAC scores really something to be overly concerned about?

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@wagbert1

I like many others here got my test results today 1218 CAC score with my Left anterior descending artery the highest at 451. I have a few questions I hope others could answer. I’ve read nearly every post here and know there has been some discussions around these topics. First, I’m 57 y/o male, total cholesterol 164 HDL 49 LDL< 70.

1. I have been on lipitor (Atorvastatin) for nearly 25 years most of it at 20 mg and the past 10 years at 40 mg. Will this cause the CAC scores to be inflated or when they score do they take statin use into consideration.

2. There’s some discussion around CAC’s that are around 200-40 as being potentially worse than a CAC of >1000 due to the stability or density of plaque - could someone verify if they have heard this as well.

3. I think this is pretty common but now I feel like I could have a heart attack at any moment because of this result, but my reading indicates most feel like that but many people have had theses scores for 10+ years and still doing fine after life modification changes, etc.

Thank you - any help would be appreciated.

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Hi,

In regards to your second point, your calcium score only measures your calcified plaque. Total plaque could be 5x so you still have quite a plaque burden. It's better to have the calcified plaque because it could actually stabilize the other plaque.

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@questionofbalance

Don't panic. See cardiologist and get nuclear stress test, echocardiogram along with doppler artery tests.
Can you walk/jog/run without losing breath - turning purple? Those are signs for immediate concern.

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Thank you, for the most part I’m asymptomatic. I’m out of breath going up three flights of stairs but I think everyone is and don’t ever turn purple. Only thing I’ve noticed the past several months is some lightheadedness. But no chest pain etc.. nuclear stress test next week.

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@mayoconnectuser1

wagbert1,

Lots of us out there!

So, for you to have been on atorvastatin for so long, you must have had other heart issues?

And, my understanding (not a medical professional) is that statins will cause CAC scores to be higher - because the statin is doing exactly what the medical scientists want it to do - reduce LDL and calcify the softer plaques to prevent then from breaking off.

You could get your LDL lower, and your total cholesterol lower - it all might help, but your numbers are pretty good, I think.

You don't mention taking meds for hypertension - do you?

You don't mention having stress tests - you should have had a few, by now. Please post your stress test numbers if you have them.

Consider getting an advanced cholesterol test - one lab calls is "Cardio IQ" - this will provide more info on your types of cholesterol and other factors.

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Thank you for responding. It’s very much appreciated. So here is my back story. I’m an Engineer so I read and think in terms of preventative rather than reactive. I have never really had heart problems. In 2017 started having palpitations and just overall felt sensations, had a holter 48 hr holter, no problems, echo Cardiogram, no big issues, normal thickening but nothing of concern, regular stress test every year for past 5 years, no issues, echocardiogram 2 weeks ago before my calcium test, just because it was my 5 year echo, no significant difference from baseline. I am on blood pressure medication and it’s controlled (115-125 / 70-80) most days. So really no past significant heart issues. Just a history of high cholesterol that’s been under control for 20 years. I did the CT calcium simply as preventative thinking it would be fine, boy was I shocked. So the doc has ordered a nuclear stress test (hope that will be able to detect blockages) and we’ll go from there, the part bothering me the most is I feel like with this new information/high CAC that I could drop dead before the nuclear stress test, a timebomb so to speak. Can anyone reassure me that’s no exactly the case? PCP upped my Lipitor to 80 mg from 40, that’s it so far, anyone been put on blood thinners as preventative? Any thoughts on any of this would be appreciated.

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Well, like me you do have a history of heart issues - if you have high BP and high cholesterol ... or at least that is my understanding.

Like you, I had a CAC screening began trying to better understand my circumstances - here's the thread I started in 2022 - like all herein, there are many others who jumped in a provided inputs, so it is a pretty good summary read.
https://connect.mayoclinic.org/discussion/high-cac-score-and-current-status/

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@swilkins1974

I feel your pain. I have a score of 396. Although my score of 396 seems low, as the book I am reading says (“How to beat the heart attack gene) any plaque is bad as it can break off and cause undesirable results. I started a statin and I am not liking the side effects. I strongly recommend you read the book. It has certainly opened my eyes. As they say in the book having a little plaque is like being a little bit pregnant.
The statin paradox is baffling to me. How can one type of pill have so much controversy. Is it good, is it bad, is it helpful for everyone?

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What is the title of the book you mention? I’m new here with almost exact history as Paul63, except I am female with a slightly lower score.

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Since the post you referred to is kind of old and I know the book swilkins1974 referred to, it's "Beat the Heart Attack Gene: The Revolutionary Plan to Prevent Heart Disease, Stroke, and Diabetes" by Bradley Bale , Amy Doneen, et al.

I have a story like many here -- unexpected crazy high CAC score despite good lifestyle and normal LDL over my entire life. The only red flag was a family history. I read the book swilkins1974 mentioned and it was very informative. I wish I had read it decades earlier. I also wish I hadn't bought into the seemingly implicit message that if you maintain a healthy lifestyle and have normal LDL you won't get atherosclerosis. I did nothing and my doctor did nothing until I had a CAC score in the 98th percentile at 60 years old. I did so much to protect my health and that book made me realize that I should not have, and frankly my doctor should not have, ignored the family history. In my worst moments, I am a little bit bitter about it.

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@beatitudebetty

What is the title of the book you mention? I’m new here with almost exact history as Paul63, except I am female with a slightly lower score.

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Beat the Heart Attack Gene

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@bitsygirl

Since the post you referred to is kind of old and I know the book swilkins1974 referred to, it's "Beat the Heart Attack Gene: The Revolutionary Plan to Prevent Heart Disease, Stroke, and Diabetes" by Bradley Bale , Amy Doneen, et al.

I have a story like many here -- unexpected crazy high CAC score despite good lifestyle and normal LDL over my entire life. The only red flag was a family history. I read the book swilkins1974 mentioned and it was very informative. I wish I had read it decades earlier. I also wish I hadn't bought into the seemingly implicit message that if you maintain a healthy lifestyle and have normal LDL you won't get atherosclerosis. I did nothing and my doctor did nothing until I had a CAC score in the 98th percentile at 60 years old. I did so much to protect my health and that book made me realize that I should not have, and frankly my doctor should not have, ignored the family history. In my worst moments, I am a little bit bitter about it.

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What would you have done differently? It's not exactly clear. Take statins?

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@wagbert1

Thank you for responding. It’s very much appreciated. So here is my back story. I’m an Engineer so I read and think in terms of preventative rather than reactive. I have never really had heart problems. In 2017 started having palpitations and just overall felt sensations, had a holter 48 hr holter, no problems, echo Cardiogram, no big issues, normal thickening but nothing of concern, regular stress test every year for past 5 years, no issues, echocardiogram 2 weeks ago before my calcium test, just because it was my 5 year echo, no significant difference from baseline. I am on blood pressure medication and it’s controlled (115-125 / 70-80) most days. So really no past significant heart issues. Just a history of high cholesterol that’s been under control for 20 years. I did the CT calcium simply as preventative thinking it would be fine, boy was I shocked. So the doc has ordered a nuclear stress test (hope that will be able to detect blockages) and we’ll go from there, the part bothering me the most is I feel like with this new information/high CAC that I could drop dead before the nuclear stress test, a timebomb so to speak. Can anyone reassure me that’s no exactly the case? PCP upped my Lipitor to 80 mg from 40, that’s it so far, anyone been put on blood thinners as preventative? Any thoughts on any of this would be appreciated.

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You may be pleasantly surprised, and like me, confused. I'm in the 75% (worst) percentile in the CAC score, but my nuclear stress test, echocardiogram, etc., are all normal. My cardiologist says the calcified plaque which is hard, is better than the soft kind, which breaks off easily and causes issues. I'm also on 80 mg Lipitor plus 10 mg Zetia, and more recently, Repatha, which is an injectable every 2 weeks. You might want to ask for the blood tests that show what's the makeup of your LDL: Lipoprotein B, Lp(a), etc., and also the high sensitivity C-Reactive Protein tests, to get a full picture of your risk profile.

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