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What supplements help Osteopenia, Osteoporosis?

Posted by grace1215 @grace1215, Feb 4, 2020

Hi, I am a new member here and wanted to find out if anyone has used AlgaeCal Plus & Strontium Citrate for Osteopenia? I have had this condition for 10 years now plus five years with Osteoarthritis of the hip which I am hoping will help not only my hip but the DEXA scan came up with Osteopenia scores.

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gretchen1018 | @gretchen1018 | Mar 18 4:01am
In reply to @contentandwell "@bill54321 thanks, Bill. Good cautionary advice. I think many of us diagnosed with osteoporosis tend to..." + (show)
@contentandwell

@bill54321 thanks, Bill. Good cautionary advice. I think many of us diagnosed with osteoporosis tend to want to get as much calcium as possible not realizing we could over-dose. I personally think I will take another look at just how much calcium I am taking. The supplement I am is 600 mg and says to take two a day. Many days I have little other calcium but there are some days when I get more. I often use MyFitnessPal to track my food and you can customize it with the nutrients you want to track. I can probably put my planned meals in before I actually eat and that way know if I should take the second dose of calcium/vitamin D.
JK

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Your body absorbed 500 mg at a time. You are taking 1200 twice a day?

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sallyj2 | @sallyj2 | Mar 18 11:57am
In reply to @windyshores "@normahorn I read that study about calcium and Vitamin D this morning and am not sure..." + (show)
@windyshores

@normahorn I read that study about calcium and Vitamin D this morning and am not sure it is anything new in terms of concerns expressed in the past. But also the calcium supplementation was high and the D3 supplementation low, in my view, and there was no K2. And what choice do we have? Best to get calcium and vitamins from food but some of us are dairy free. I bought sardines yesterday 🙂

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Have to be careful with K2 for anyone who has certain cardiac issues. It is known to increase Lp(a). Don’t want to trade one issue for another.

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windyshores | @windyshores | Mar 18 12:03pm
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@sallyj2

Have to be careful with K2 for anyone who has certain cardiac issues. It is known to increase Lp(a). Don’t want to trade one issue for another.

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I only take 45mcg Mk-7. I think some supplements are too high. So agreed.

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rubles | @rubles | Mar 18 6:35pm
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@windyshores

I only take 45mcg Mk-7. I think some supplements are too high. So agreed.

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What is M-k?. Thank you for your response. Pam

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windyshores | @windyshores | Mar 18 7:34pm
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@rubles

What is M-k?. Thank you for your response. Pam

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It's a form of K2. @rubles

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Sue Ellen Murrey | @semurrey | Mar 19 8:14am
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@williekeen

Any Brand will work..just make sure it has black pepper..I know that sounds strange..but Pepper helps absorb the Tumeric...you wont taste it ..capsule format...

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Just thought I’d mention that my oncologist mentioned Tumeric does have estrogen characteristics so if anyone out there like me has estrogen fueled breast cancer I’d skip the Tumeric. One year into Letrozole for my breast cancer put me into osteoporosis at 58 yrs old. I was religious about Vit D, Citracal, Vit K and Magnesium and strength exercises but my endocrinologist said hard to make a difference on cancer meds so I have just started weekly Fosamax which I want thrilled about but fear of spinal fractures I guess is real!

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jasperina | @jasperina | Mar 19 9:57am
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@sallyj2

Have to be careful with K2 for anyone who has certain cardiac issues. It is known to increase Lp(a). Don’t want to trade one issue for another.

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Can you tell me more about the issue with k and lp(a)?

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sallyj2 | @sallyj2 | Mar 19 11:33am
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Can you tell me more about the issue with k and lp(a)?

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https://www.ncbi.nim.nih.gov/pmc/articled/PMC7862223/
2021 article: Menaquinone 4 increases plasma lipid levels in hyoetcholesterolemic mice.
Study by: Weisell, Ruotsalsinen, et al

FYI, I am not a mouse and mine increased substantially. Three months after stopping, it went back down. Hoping estrogen lowers it further.

I guess my caution would be that even supplements have effects and side effects and everyone is different. I just happened to stumble on this, knowing it was the only change I had made. Another good reason to add things one at a time when possible,

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mayblin | @mayblin | Mar 19 1:43pm
In reply to @sallyj2 "HTTPS://www.ncbi.nim.nih.gov/pmc/articled/PMC7862223/ 2021 article: Menaquinone 4 increases plasma lipid levels in hyoetcholesterolemic mice. Study by: Weisell, Ruotsalsinen,..." + (show)
@sallyj2

https://www.ncbi.nim.nih.gov/pmc/articled/PMC7862223/
2021 article: Menaquinone 4 increases plasma lipid levels in hyoetcholesterolemic mice.
Study by: Weisell, Ruotsalsinen, et al

FYI, I am not a mouse and mine increased substantially. Three months after stopping, it went back down. Hoping estrogen lowers it further.

I guess my caution would be that even supplements have effects and side effects and everyone is different. I just happened to stumble on this, knowing it was the only change I had made. Another good reason to add things one at a time when possible,

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Hi @sallyj2, while studies in mice shouldn't be directly extrapolated to human, what you have experienced is interesting. LP-a is said to be genetically determined by both copies of parents' genes (they call it co-dorminance) and not affected by diet, exercise or drugs. There is a slight increase in postmenopausal women. Most people just need one test during their lifetime. Mine was done twice by accident, the difference was 60%. Since both of my results are at low end, 10 and 16nmol/L, they didn't trigger my nerve. The distributions of LPa among the population is very skewed. If you are at low end, the difference between tests might be inherent test errors. Did you go to the same lab? The results are also expressed in different units, nmol/L vs mg/L. Check and see if both of your results used the same units.

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jasperina | @jasperina | Mar 19 2:12pm
In reply to @sallyj2 "HTTPS://www.ncbi.nim.nih.gov/pmc/articled/PMC7862223/ 2021 article: Menaquinone 4 increases plasma lipid levels in hyoetcholesterolemic mice. Study by: Weisell, Ruotsalsinen,..." + (show)
@sallyj2

https://www.ncbi.nim.nih.gov/pmc/articled/PMC7862223/
2021 article: Menaquinone 4 increases plasma lipid levels in hyoetcholesterolemic mice.
Study by: Weisell, Ruotsalsinen, et al

FYI, I am not a mouse and mine increased substantially. Three months after stopping, it went back down. Hoping estrogen lowers it further.

I guess my caution would be that even supplements have effects and side effects and everyone is different. I just happened to stumble on this, knowing it was the only change I had made. Another good reason to add things one at a time when possible,

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Thanks for the link. I am mystified about my lp(a) reading. It increased by 50% in a few months. All other values are good.

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