Weaning off of prednisone & pain management

Posted by joan7 @joan7, Feb 25 9:11am

Last Tuesday, I went down from 7.5 mg of Prednisone down to 5 mgs. For the past 4 days my pain level has been a 12 out of 10. I could barely walk. Although I hate to take Advil, Motrin, etc., I took 2 Advil Gels and within 1 hour I felt better (not perfect, but a lot better). Hours later the pain started to come back but was maybe a 6 out of 10. The next morning I was crippled by the pain all over again. I forced myself to get moving, but could barely get around. Drank a lot of ice water, and before I went to bed, I raised the head part of my bed up and fell asleep. Woke up this morning with very little pain. Has anyone experienced any type of correlation between raising your head up vs laying flat, and the amount of pain you will experience? Had that slight change made that much of a difference in your pain level? I have found that drinking almost all my drinks with a lot of ice, definitely helps with internal inflammation. What are your experiences or thoughts regarding this matter? Thanks!

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@johnbishop

Welcome @jen73, I've had 2 occurrences of PMR but it is fortunately now in remission for the second time and I'm hoping it stays that way. I did find some information on your question that you may find interesting if not helpful.

--- If something looks like an apple, is it necessarily an apple? – reflections on so-called “statin-induced polymyalgia rheumatica”: https://www.ncbi.nlm.nih.gov/pmc/articles/PMC6710838/.

I don't think any of us like being on prednisone but for most of us it is the magic pill that make the symptoms go away. Have you tried any natural ways to lower your cholesterol numbers?

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John, Thank you for the article. Very interesting. One Dr said no to it causing the PMR, my primary agrees that it triggered it. The pain is mostly in my thigh muscles and upper right arm .
The prednisone is definitely the magic pill as much as I hate being on it.
I take all kinds of natural supplements for the cholesterol, along with diet and exercise. Really working on getting it down on my own. I have become very drug wary.
Thanks for taking the time to answer, I really appreciate it. Hoping you stay in remission.

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@jen73

John, Thank you for the article. Very interesting. One Dr said no to it causing the PMR, my primary agrees that it triggered it. The pain is mostly in my thigh muscles and upper right arm .
The prednisone is definitely the magic pill as much as I hate being on it.
I take all kinds of natural supplements for the cholesterol, along with diet and exercise. Really working on getting it down on my own. I have become very drug wary.
Thanks for taking the time to answer, I really appreciate it. Hoping you stay in remission.

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I was hesitant to take a statin for my cholesterol also and my first time with PMR was much worse than my second time much due to my making some lifestyle changes with eating healthier and exercising more. My first time took 3 and half years to get off of prednisone, the second time only 1 and half years. It's good to hear you are already taking advantage of that piece and working on getting the numbers down.

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@jen73

I am new to this support group but not PMR. Back in the summer of 2022 my doctor gave me 10 MG of pravastatin. The pains in my legs started and continued after I stopped the statin. It took 3 months of suffering before I was diagnosed with PMR. My legs were scanned and I was sent for 3 weeks of physical therapy. Finally, on a trip to the rheumatologist with my blood work results in hand, I got some help. My blood test results were normal but the WBC and a few other things were elevated. More blood work identified the problem. I started out on 15MG of prednisone and gradually the dosage was decreased over many months. Tried to get off of it at 2 MG a day after I found out that my cholesterol jumped from 212 to 243. Besides that, it affects the osteoporosis that I am already being treated for. I was so miserable off the drug that I am now back on 5MG and hoping to drop 1MG a month. I am so over dealing with this and wish they had just left me alone. I could have brought the cholesterol down on my own. Has anyone else had a statin drug trigger the PMR? It is nice to know that I am not the only suffering with this.

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I definitely think that some of us react badly to some of the inactive ingredients in commonly prescribed drugs, and suspect that PMR may be caused by them, whether in a medication, vaccination, supplement, cosmetic or other environmental exposure, etc.

The inactive ingredients in pravastatin include: calcium phosphate dibasic, crospovidone, lactose, magnesium stearate, microcrystalline cellulose, and povidone.

Unfortunately, no attention at all is paid by doctors to the inactive ingredients in drugs they prescribe or supplements we take and the effect they have on us, so we will likely not identify the additive in question.

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@jen73

I am new to this support group but not PMR. Back in the summer of 2022 my doctor gave me 10 MG of pravastatin. The pains in my legs started and continued after I stopped the statin. It took 3 months of suffering before I was diagnosed with PMR. My legs were scanned and I was sent for 3 weeks of physical therapy. Finally, on a trip to the rheumatologist with my blood work results in hand, I got some help. My blood test results were normal but the WBC and a few other things were elevated. More blood work identified the problem. I started out on 15MG of prednisone and gradually the dosage was decreased over many months. Tried to get off of it at 2 MG a day after I found out that my cholesterol jumped from 212 to 243. Besides that, it affects the osteoporosis that I am already being treated for. I was so miserable off the drug that I am now back on 5MG and hoping to drop 1MG a month. I am so over dealing with this and wish they had just left me alone. I could have brought the cholesterol down on my own. Has anyone else had a statin drug trigger the PMR? It is nice to know that I am not the only suffering with this.

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YES! This happened to my father. Well, there’s no way to be 100% sure, but more than one of my father’s specialists (including his cardiologist) mentioned afterward that statins are at least associated with arthralgias, and in a very small number of susceptible people, they may trigger an autoimmune response—and my dad has a strong family history of autoimmune conditions.

He was put on the highest dose possible of atorvastatin even though he didn’t have high cholesterol, but he had some signs of plaque in his arteries, probably from being a former smoker. “Guidance” dictated the recommendation from his doctor, which I feel should never have happened because he’s extremely sensitive to medication.

Over the course of the next few months, he had increasing muscle pains and fatigue, until finally it was what we now know as the debilitating PMR symptoms. He was advised to stop the statin, but his CK (used to see if statins are causing muscle damage in this case) was normal. His PCP ran all sorts of labs, including ESR and CRP, which were through the roof—and he didn’t know what to make of it and was referring him to a hematologist.

Whereas we Googled the various lab values and recognized the likely symptoms of PMR, but his PCP refused to see us and thought we were crazy. On the third phone call, my mom left one last desperate message asking the doctor to please research PMR (our backup plan was going to the ER), and only after that did he send a prednisone prescription.

We got lucky and found an open rheumatology appointment quickly, and she diagnosed him immediately, but this was still at least a month after the most severe symptoms began. We were monitoring him for GCA, but sadly he had a stroke two weeks later. He survived and is attempting to recover, but our lives will never be the same. We’ll never know if it was GCA or all just a coincidence. He was out on IV steroids in the hospital.

There’s really no way to know for sure if the statin triggered it, and the population that’s most affected by PMR often takes statins. But my dad never took any medication prior to the statin, and it really wasn’t necessary to put him immediately on the highest dose.

I’d never heard of PMR before, but looking into it, it’s sadly not that uncommon. It always makes me angry how much of a hurdle it is for many to get diagnosed. I feel it’s part ageism. But I digress…

You’re right, it is good to know we’re not the only ones. I hope this slower taper works for you and thanks for sharing.

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@emo

YES! This happened to my father. Well, there’s no way to be 100% sure, but more than one of my father’s specialists (including his cardiologist) mentioned afterward that statins are at least associated with arthralgias, and in a very small number of susceptible people, they may trigger an autoimmune response—and my dad has a strong family history of autoimmune conditions.

He was put on the highest dose possible of atorvastatin even though he didn’t have high cholesterol, but he had some signs of plaque in his arteries, probably from being a former smoker. “Guidance” dictated the recommendation from his doctor, which I feel should never have happened because he’s extremely sensitive to medication.

Over the course of the next few months, he had increasing muscle pains and fatigue, until finally it was what we now know as the debilitating PMR symptoms. He was advised to stop the statin, but his CK (used to see if statins are causing muscle damage in this case) was normal. His PCP ran all sorts of labs, including ESR and CRP, which were through the roof—and he didn’t know what to make of it and was referring him to a hematologist.

Whereas we Googled the various lab values and recognized the likely symptoms of PMR, but his PCP refused to see us and thought we were crazy. On the third phone call, my mom left one last desperate message asking the doctor to please research PMR (our backup plan was going to the ER), and only after that did he send a prednisone prescription.

We got lucky and found an open rheumatology appointment quickly, and she diagnosed him immediately, but this was still at least a month after the most severe symptoms began. We were monitoring him for GCA, but sadly he had a stroke two weeks later. He survived and is attempting to recover, but our lives will never be the same. We’ll never know if it was GCA or all just a coincidence. He was out on IV steroids in the hospital.

There’s really no way to know for sure if the statin triggered it, and the population that’s most affected by PMR often takes statins. But my dad never took any medication prior to the statin, and it really wasn’t necessary to put him immediately on the highest dose.

I’d never heard of PMR before, but looking into it, it’s sadly not that uncommon. It always makes me angry how much of a hurdle it is for many to get diagnosed. I feel it’s part ageism. But I digress…

You’re right, it is good to know we’re not the only ones. I hope this slower taper works for you and thanks for sharing.

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I also have had a cholesterol problem, probably genetic from my dad. I tried a couple statins, thought they caused muscle contractions in my hand, so my pcp suggested zetia, 10 mg. I am splitting the tablets in half, my last cholesterol test was 170 so I feel okay that a minimal dose is working.

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@pmrsuzie

I also have had a cholesterol problem, probably genetic from my dad. I tried a couple statins, thought they caused muscle contractions in my hand, so my pcp suggested zetia, 10 mg. I am splitting the tablets in half, my last cholesterol test was 170 so I feel okay that a minimal dose is working.

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Thanks! Yes, we’ve heard Zetia is much better tolerated although according to the doctors not as “strong” as the statins. Unfortunately, my dad is extremely sensitive to medications apparently, and it gave him severe diarrhea for two weeks and had to stop. So we’re just having to accept the risks and do what we can with diet and lifestyle changes. There are the new injections, but he just already has such a complex medical situation that it doesn’t sound appealing. For sure though, Zetia is a good option that I agree more people should know about.

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Starting in October, initially on P20, my dose had to be adjusted to P30 to tame the PMR beast. I started tapering after 30 days at 5 per month, then 1 per month, now down to P7.
During my last rheumy visit in January, she said my inflammation markers were now normal, and we were no longer treating PMR. The goal is therefore to get off the prednisone as quickly and safely as possible, and to therefore continue the 1mg monthly taper. Also, that my wrist pains could be expected to continue, and that I could take Tylenol, NOT any NSAID due to the conflict with the prednisone.
During a routine cardiology visit in February, I happened to mention my ongoing wrist and thumb pain (which at that time was up to level 3 in the morning, but went away by 3PM). My cardiologist ordered a wrist Xray which did not disclose any sign of any of the arthritises. Also, my RA lab was normal. And so, the morning wrist pain remains an undiagnosed mystery which I will continue to willingly tolerate, especially as I recently increased my morning Tylenol to 1000mg which make me pain-free by 10AM. In any case, this morning pain is almost certainly NOT something that should be treated with an increased dose of prednisone. Unless it can be determined using testing that the pain is in fact or probably PMR, increasing the prednisone is probably not the correct solution for so many reasons, the main one being that it might make tapering to zero much more difficult without risking adrenal insufficiency.
My rheumy did give me permission to use OTC topical diclofenac 1% on my wrists if desired. Although diclofenac is an NSAID, if used topically only about 5% gets into your circulatory system and therefore does not create a problem with the concurrent prednisone as it would do if the diclofenac were taken orally in pill form. For the time being, I have decided that my current pain profile does not warrant experimenting with yet another drug.
Thought for the day: After being treated for PMR, returning pain is not always PMR, and should not be automatically treated with an increased dose of prednisone without testing and a doc agreeing.
Best of luck to everyone…this too shall pass !

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@art43

Starting in October, initially on P20, my dose had to be adjusted to P30 to tame the PMR beast. I started tapering after 30 days at 5 per month, then 1 per month, now down to P7.
During my last rheumy visit in January, she said my inflammation markers were now normal, and we were no longer treating PMR. The goal is therefore to get off the prednisone as quickly and safely as possible, and to therefore continue the 1mg monthly taper. Also, that my wrist pains could be expected to continue, and that I could take Tylenol, NOT any NSAID due to the conflict with the prednisone.
During a routine cardiology visit in February, I happened to mention my ongoing wrist and thumb pain (which at that time was up to level 3 in the morning, but went away by 3PM). My cardiologist ordered a wrist Xray which did not disclose any sign of any of the arthritises. Also, my RA lab was normal. And so, the morning wrist pain remains an undiagnosed mystery which I will continue to willingly tolerate, especially as I recently increased my morning Tylenol to 1000mg which make me pain-free by 10AM. In any case, this morning pain is almost certainly NOT something that should be treated with an increased dose of prednisone. Unless it can be determined using testing that the pain is in fact or probably PMR, increasing the prednisone is probably not the correct solution for so many reasons, the main one being that it might make tapering to zero much more difficult without risking adrenal insufficiency.
My rheumy did give me permission to use OTC topical diclofenac 1% on my wrists if desired. Although diclofenac is an NSAID, if used topically only about 5% gets into your circulatory system and therefore does not create a problem with the concurrent prednisone as it would do if the diclofenac were taken orally in pill form. For the time being, I have decided that my current pain profile does not warrant experimenting with yet another drug.
Thought for the day: After being treated for PMR, returning pain is not always PMR, and should not be automatically treated with an increased dose of prednisone without testing and a doc agreeing.
Best of luck to everyone…this too shall pass !

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"Thought for the day: After being treated for PMR, returning pain is not always PMR, and should not be automatically treated with an increased dose of prednisone without testing and a doc agreeing."

Your comment above is a good point.

The same is also true during treatment for PMR. Prednisone will relieve many types of inflammatory pain. Just because the pain responds to Prednisone ... that doesn't mean it is PMR. There might be other options available to relieve non-PMR pain rather than taking Prednisone longer than is necessary.

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@art43

Starting in October, initially on P20, my dose had to be adjusted to P30 to tame the PMR beast. I started tapering after 30 days at 5 per month, then 1 per month, now down to P7.
During my last rheumy visit in January, she said my inflammation markers were now normal, and we were no longer treating PMR. The goal is therefore to get off the prednisone as quickly and safely as possible, and to therefore continue the 1mg monthly taper. Also, that my wrist pains could be expected to continue, and that I could take Tylenol, NOT any NSAID due to the conflict with the prednisone.
During a routine cardiology visit in February, I happened to mention my ongoing wrist and thumb pain (which at that time was up to level 3 in the morning, but went away by 3PM). My cardiologist ordered a wrist Xray which did not disclose any sign of any of the arthritises. Also, my RA lab was normal. And so, the morning wrist pain remains an undiagnosed mystery which I will continue to willingly tolerate, especially as I recently increased my morning Tylenol to 1000mg which make me pain-free by 10AM. In any case, this morning pain is almost certainly NOT something that should be treated with an increased dose of prednisone. Unless it can be determined using testing that the pain is in fact or probably PMR, increasing the prednisone is probably not the correct solution for so many reasons, the main one being that it might make tapering to zero much more difficult without risking adrenal insufficiency.
My rheumy did give me permission to use OTC topical diclofenac 1% on my wrists if desired. Although diclofenac is an NSAID, if used topically only about 5% gets into your circulatory system and therefore does not create a problem with the concurrent prednisone as it would do if the diclofenac were taken orally in pill form. For the time being, I have decided that my current pain profile does not warrant experimenting with yet another drug.
Thought for the day: After being treated for PMR, returning pain is not always PMR, and should not be automatically treated with an increased dose of prednisone without testing and a doc agreeing.
Best of luck to everyone…this too shall pass !

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You make a great point; thanks for sharing. I had a thought about the wrist/thumb pain you mentioned and the morning onset. It reminded me of chronic wrist/thumb pain I have. An OT (occupational therapist) identified it as de Quervain’s. It’s a type of tendibopathy so it wouldn’t come up on an x-ray. It usually gets better as the day goes on and you move it more.

She said it’s common for wrist pain including this to flare up overnight or in the morning because of the position people sleep in. She has me wear a brace at night, the kind that softly prevents me from moving my thumb. I had trouble keeping it on at night so instead wore it during the day, and it calmed down.

Once it calmed down, she helped me with adaptations and exercises to strengthen my wrist and it’s better now.

It could be worth trying a brace overnight or seeing an OT if you’re interested but if it’s not a bother, as my therapists say, “It’s only a problem if it’s a problem to you,” which I kind of liked.

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I have tapered from 30 in October to 6 starting mid-April, and have recently experienced morning wrist and finger stiffness and some level of pain, from 0 to an occasional 2, which tends to be gone by afternoon or earlier. This AM I was at a 1, and tried CBD cream on my knuckles and fingers only. In 10 minutes all stiffness and pain were gone. Might be worth asking your doc if is worth trying in your case. Evidently responses can be different. Best of luck !

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