GFR dropped 5 more points and I don't know why.

Posted by csage1010 (Sue) @csage1010, Sep 22, 2021

HI all, I got some blood work today and I was actually expecting the results to be good, or at least stable. My GFR dropped from 59 to 54 in 2 months. I have lost 20 pounds and my sugars are within normal limits. So sad.

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@gingerw

@windyshores Your situation underlines exactly what we are saying in these forums, where we may deal with similar health concerns, but each of us is unique. I do question the idea of protein ramping up filtration. From Mayo Clinic: https://www.mayoclinic.org/healthy-lifestyle/nutrition-and-healthy-eating/expert-answers/high-protein-diets/faq-20058207

And from DaVita Kidney Care about protein: https://www.davita.com/diet-nutrition/articles/basics/dietary-protein-and-chronic-kidney-disease
Ginger

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I question everything being recommended and consider the situation a continuing mystery. Since I don't have protein in my urine, it seems that the doc is trying to explain the eGFR with various theories that are not panning out! I have not changed my diet at all but have avoided NSAID's for many months and try to hydrate. Nervous about the Reclast without answers on the kidney issue!

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@gingerw

@kathyyvette Welcome to Mayo Clinic Connect. As you read through the posts and different conversations here, you will see a comment we refer to often. That is, it is better to look at trends in blood test results, not single values. There are many factors that can affect results, including but not limited to: hydration level, recent exercise, medication changes, illness/infection, different labs processing the samples, fasting or non-fasting, other disease processes.

Maintaining a moderate exercise program, following a sound renal diet [low sodium/calcium/phosphorous, good protein], minimizing stress wherever you can, can go a long way to helping you keep your eGFR from slipping too rapidly.

Any further questions for me?
Ginger

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Ginger thank you for the input. Being a retired dialysis nurse for 42 years this hits home. Had a visit with my primary care physician and his statement was you still could live another 20 years with those levels. I plan to continue my regimen and focus on the now one day at a time. My focus is staying abreast of my health issue.
Kathy

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@windyshores

I question everything being recommended and consider the situation a continuing mystery. Since I don't have protein in my urine, it seems that the doc is trying to explain the eGFR with various theories that are not panning out! I have not changed my diet at all but have avoided NSAID's for many months and try to hydrate. Nervous about the Reclast without answers on the kidney issue!

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@windyshores Advocate to have your nephrologist and the prescribing doctor for Reclast, communicate with each other. For me, it is important that my hematologist oncologist and my nephrologist talk through phone calls/emails, coordinating my continued care. It has been a great thing to be part of. You are the hub of your care, and everything needs to be balanced.

Please let me know what you think about this? Do you think you may need to look for a different nephrologist/kidney disease opinion?
Ginger

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@gingerw

@windyshores Advocate to have your nephrologist and the prescribing doctor for Reclast, communicate with each other. For me, it is important that my hematologist oncologist and my nephrologist talk through phone calls/emails, coordinating my continued care. It has been a great thing to be part of. You are the hub of your care, and everything needs to be balanced.

Please let me know what you think about this? Do you think you may need to look for a different nephrologist/kidney disease opinion?
Ginger

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I like both my doctors and they do communicate 🙂 Thanks!

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@petuniamom567

johnmac
you have no idea how lucky you are to have nutritionist who deals with nephrology patients. I have never received
any advice unless my test test numbers are off. Nephrologists should have nutritionists they work with. This is
rare in any but very large cities apparently. Otherwise, you're on your own depending on books on articles. Very
hard to understand kidney disease care especially when it's relatively common.Remains a mystery to me. Most
of us are on our own.

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I was told by the nurse at the Nephrologist’s office that I could see a dietitian but it most likely would not be covered by insurance. I am furious and plan to challenge the insurance company on this. I’m pretty sure a dietitian is covered once you require dialysis!!

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@pwiley

I was told by the nurse at the Nephrologist’s office that I could see a dietitian but it most likely would not be covered by insurance. I am furious and plan to challenge the insurance company on this. I’m pretty sure a dietitian is covered once you require dialysis!!

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@pwiley There is almost always a renal dietician on staff at the dialysis center a person goes to, whether they use in-center hemodialysis, or at-home peritoneal dialysis.
Ginger

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Yes , I am aware as I was a hemodialysis nurse early in my career. The thing that bothers me is that you have to progress to that stage in order for the dietitian to be covered by insurance when they only real treatment available is diet during the early stages of CKD.

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When GFR is falling consistently then goes back to over sixty, and there are two more blood draws in the next 14 months and it drops from 60 to 49, is there a way to find out what's causing this? I read the posts about scans and ultrasounds without dye. Aren't they useful for diagnosis? I wouldn't want to risk one with dye. When I managed an exercise business, a woman told me a scan of her heart with die caused her to lose 40% of her kidney function. If the scans without dye don't work, is there any other way to find out what is causing a significant drop in kidney function? Thanks

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@macbarb0503

When GFR is falling consistently then goes back to over sixty, and there are two more blood draws in the next 14 months and it drops from 60 to 49, is there a way to find out what's causing this? I read the posts about scans and ultrasounds without dye. Aren't they useful for diagnosis? I wouldn't want to risk one with dye. When I managed an exercise business, a woman told me a scan of her heart with die caused her to lose 40% of her kidney function. If the scans without dye don't work, is there any other way to find out what is causing a significant drop in kidney function? Thanks

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@macbarb0503 First, there are 2 basic lab tests for CKD. They are Creatinine eGFR and Cystatin C eGFR. The latter is the more accurate and most dependable for nephrologists. Cystatin C relates to all your cells while Creatinine involves muscle mass. Unfortunately, many insurance companies do not cover Cystatin C so many PCPs use the Creatinine lab test. Next, lab tests are useful as you want to look at your CKD labs over time, and not just one event. It gives you better consistency. I get my Cystatin C checked every 6 to 8 weeks and keep a spreadsheet for those values. Lastly, you can have a great or average Creatinine eGFR, but a poor Cystatin C score, and it is that Cystatin C that nephrologists care about the most. In a perfect scenario, most nephrologists would like to see both lab tests at the same eGFR level. In addition, heart disease, diabetes, and others are main contributors to CKD. It is chronic for a reason, and can possibly be separated from acute such as an accident. Your nephrologist should be able to pinpoint why you may have fluctuations over a period of time.

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Thanks for the information. I called the nephrologist’s office, and was told they’ll look at my labs and call if they think I need an appointment. I think I need an appointment, after losing at least 11 GFR points in a short period of time. I’m in FL and am beginning to wonder if they wait until we’re ready for dialysis or a transplant where the big money is to bother with us. I’m elderly and won’t be getting a transplant. We don’t have enough doctors here for all the people. I just want to know what’s causing this, and how to slow it down. Don’t doctors try to diagnose the problem, prescribe medicine or anything? They just seem to want to ignore me.

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