Small fiber neuropathy?

Posted by Nemo1 @nemo1, Feb 16 9:00pm

I never had a biopsy to dx it. I’m wondering if I have the biopsy does it make a difference in the therapies? A year ago I was dx’d with severe chronic nerve damage in lumbar and cspine: polyradiculopathy.

I have severe pain and spasms in lumbosacral back, legs and feet since 2021.

In the summer of 2023 I started (an continue having) get spasms in the trapezeous muscles on the right.

I’m currently flaring with bad pains to both shoulder that is crippling then after a long while it disappears. I developed lightning like pains to the bottoms of my feet and toes. The only thing that seemingly helps the surface pain is the lidocaine cream I apply. So far…

The neuromuscular doctor said last year no long fiber neuropathy per the nerve conduction study. She said I’d need a biopsy to determine if i have sfn.

An old nerve doctor said I had demyelination in left leg she thought secondary to diabetes. WEll, the diabetes hasnt climbed to damaging enough numbers to put me in flair much less cause the demyelination.

The foot dr last week gave referral for feet, for neuropathy and balance. So this confuses me. It all does.

I’d like to know if SNF can move around the body and cause the tingling in forarms and fingers and can the pain in SNF affect the very surface of the skin?

If someone can make sense of what Ive written I’d appreciate any help insight or feedback.

I have not received a diagnosis regarding the polyradiculopathy. I’m going to press the doctors for answers now because it’s really out of control.

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@proteusx

you make no mention of a spinal MRI? If this hasn't been done, your docs are negligent. It sounds to me like your pattern of pain, paresthesia has been non-symmetrical, affecting different areas of the body at different times, coming and going, in the presence of "severe pain and spasms in the back." That at least suggests a spinal origin for much of the problem, though this might be called into question in the absence of any cervical or thoracic spinal degeneration to explain your shoulder, arm, hand neuropathies.

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For me, had MRI of lumbar/sacrum (have to look at reports to recall). Some stenosis, moderate damage throughout (DJD), different things (medical speak) over my head. I had a fall over 20 years ago that messed up my cspine have not had a recent mri of it. I know it’s a mess too. It could be causing some of the trouble in the shoulders, traps, arms and hands. The rheumy dx’d psoriatic arthritis due to findings in sacrum. So have problems there. So there are issues with the back. The pt did gentle massage but I had trigger points (i think that is what they are termed). Along with pain, assorted nerve sensations, numbing, the balance issues have been building. Something needs to change. Thank you for your post.

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@caban

I had a blood biopsy and it showed damage to my sensory neuropathy panel. Test was done at Washington University and requested by my neurologist in Sydney. We don’t have that type of test available in Australia. Showed damage and then I started appropriate treatment to help repair nerves. My nerves weren’t cut but badly damaged by my immune system. My nerves have started to recover but it takes a while. Not sure about broken or cut nerves. I have a very clever and wonderful neurologist.

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What treatment did you have?

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@marquis113

Have you had your B vitamin levels checked? In the process and found out my thiamine was low and folic acid and B6 are quite elevated. Apparently these vitamins have a lot to due with neuropathy symptoms.

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Yes, mine is autoimmune. I tested 13 for RA but you have to test at or above 14. Really one point off.
They believe it’s RA. The doctor in Boston thinks lupus or sjogerns. I am not diabetic. My hypothyroidism started way after diagnosed with neuropathy.

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@artemis1886

Yes, mine is autoimmune. I tested 13 for RA but you have to test at or above 14. Really one point off.
They believe it’s RA. The doctor in Boston thinks lupus or sjogerns. I am not diabetic. My hypothyroidism started way after diagnosed with neuropathy.

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Does your hypothyroidism have anything to due with nodules in the thyroid?

I have a history (looong ago) of intermittent hyperthyroidism (suppressed tsh). That said, didn’t have the conditions I have now.

So, w/neuropathy in arm so far (since found last year) does one have anything to do with the other?

I am diabetic for roughly 20 years.

My endo at the time (she stopped her practice) said, It is common for woman to have nodules. I didn’t have an appointment to meet her to discuss the second ultrasound. She wanted to see me two weeks after the US>. Well, that didn’t happen so I need to find another endo to review US and diabetes treatment etc. So I have unanswered questions. I have nodules in other organs that popped up in the last 2-3 years. So, am wondering if that is a symptom of something. Thanks.

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@marquis113

Have you had your B vitamin levels checked? In the process and found out my thiamine was low and folic acid and B6 are quite elevated. Apparently these vitamins have a lot to due with neuropathy symptoms.

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I've had nephropathy for a few years I was taking B12 sublingual 5,000mcg for years had numbness in feet gradually up to my hips. Then had my doctor test me for B vitamins and they were high both B6 and B12 so after getting a DNA test they said I lack the enzyme needed to process B vitamins after I started taking L-Folate the metabolically processed Folate that converts the B vitamins in the body and stopped taking the high dose of B12 I'm feeling better less numbness but still there but the skin peeling on my hands went away so that and other things were caused by B12 toxicity which has the same symptoms as low B12 which was why I was taking the B12 but I guess without the enzyme it won't process in the stomach go figure.

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@mdamiani57

I've had nephropathy for a few years I was taking B12 sublingual 5,000mcg for years had numbness in feet gradually up to my hips. Then had my doctor test me for B vitamins and they were high both B6 and B12 so after getting a DNA test they said I lack the enzyme needed to process B vitamins after I started taking L-Folate the metabolically processed Folate that converts the B vitamins in the body and stopped taking the high dose of B12 I'm feeling better less numbness but still there but the skin peeling on my hands went away so that and other things were caused by B12 toxicity which has the same symptoms as low B12 which was why I was taking the B12 but I guess without the enzyme it won't process in the stomach go figure.

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I'm glad you were able to figure it out. Something similar happened to me with B6, but I didn't know about B12 toxicity.

I think I remember being told that excess B12 just goes out of your body with urine so toxicity isn't usually a concern, but I guess you're right and without the enzyme to help your body process it you could easily fall behind when taking a supplement.

Excess B6 is more well-known for causing the same symptoms as low B12. In my situation, my neuropathy had improved and then slowly started getting worse and we didn't know why. When my B levels were tested, my B6 was high, though I wasn't knowingly supplementing. It turned out I was drinking one daily Liquid IV (the electrolyte supplement) because I have POTS, and electrolyte supplements are one way to manage the symptoms. Liquid IV is supplemented with B12 and B6, and I didn't even know it. It's 140% the recommended daily value. Thankfully, I switched electrolyte supplements, and my neuropathy went back to baseline.

Now, one of my pet peeves (as someone who needs to use electrolyte/hydration supplements daily) is the proliferation of all the different formulations that have all this extra stuff in it and artificial sugar when the WHO formulation for an oral rehydration solution requires real sugar and doesn't require the extra vitamins/minerals. But that's an argument for another post >_

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@mdamiani57

I've had nephropathy for a few years I was taking B12 sublingual 5,000mcg for years had numbness in feet gradually up to my hips. Then had my doctor test me for B vitamins and they were high both B6 and B12 so after getting a DNA test they said I lack the enzyme needed to process B vitamins after I started taking L-Folate the metabolically processed Folate that converts the B vitamins in the body and stopped taking the high dose of B12 I'm feeling better less numbness but still there but the skin peeling on my hands went away so that and other things were caused by B12 toxicity which has the same symptoms as low B12 which was why I was taking the B12 but I guess without the enzyme it won't process in the stomach go figure.

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I’m glad the doctor ordered the appropriate test to determine the cause of the problem before throwing more meds at the situation! Feel better.

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@caban

I was diagnosed finally with non systemic vascular neuropathy. I did put a reply up earlier today but not sure where it goes as I’m new to this chat. I have suffered so much in the past year so I joined to help other people who may be suffering possibly with the same problem as it very rare and difficult to diagnose and the pain without treatment is diabolical. my chronic pain stopped after 3 hrs on a ketamine drip in hospital. Amazing. Take care that they don’t give you too much. Needs to be well supervised. I also had steriod drips and an immune support drip in hospital. I used to take steroids, an immune suppressant (still do )as well as 300 mg of gabapentin which I didn’t like. No more gabapentin now for the past 4 months as no nerve pain.
I have drips of 2 drugs steriod and imiran every month. My immune system has stabilised and the inflammation has gone. As before I am taking 4 mg prednisone a day and Imuran an immune suppressant drug as well as vitamins … vitamin B12 an insolar tablet and Centrum Advance every day and have a B12 injection every month. My immune system has returned to a normal level. I’ll be off steroids soon and will remain on Imiran .. small dose every day till the end of year .. hopefully..I m not sure how long I will have monthly drips. I take a non addictive sleep helper called Dyvito.. a newish drug that seems to work well with no after effects. All tablets are prescribed by my specialist who presently is the only neurologist I know of who can treat my condition. None of the tablets I take now have had any bad effects. I did try cymbalta initially for leg tingles but stopped because of nausea. I was prescribed cannabis oil but I’m not sure if it helped. Very very expensive and needs doctors script to get it in my state NSW. Rolling pin is great for leg aches. I swim gently to strengthen my legs. My progress has been monitored by my neurologist in Sydney.. he is amazing and does research as well. I thought there would be many USA neurologists who could help you but as I said before it is an rare disorder and difficult to diagnose.. not sure why. To get a correct diagnosis my blood sample was sent to Texas as we are behind in small nerve testing methods in Australia presently.
We are fortunately in Australia as we have a vg Medicare system so when I’m in hospital as an inpatient I pay for very
Little. Specialists in their rooms cost a lot but if you have private health insurance you can claim which reduces the costs. Tablets are not too expensive and the monthly drips don’t cost me anything as I go in as an inpatient as with the MRI…I’m very very fortunate. Unsure about your system. I wish you all the best.I did take Palexia IR but only when pain was unbearable. Not now though. Pls let me know if you have any success.

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I spoke with a doctor today about the Ketamine and he said it can cause negative recall of experiences. Was this your experience? He said it could act somewhat like LSD. Thank you!

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@nemo1

I’m glad the doctor ordered the appropriate test to determine the cause of the problem before throwing more meds at the situation! Feel better.

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I actuality had to ask for the test because remembered my mother getting B12 shots wondered if there was a connection which there was lol. Thanks.

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@retired123

I spoke with a doctor today about the Ketamine and he said it can cause negative recall of experiences. Was this your experience? He said it could act somewhat like LSD. Thank you!

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My medical diagnosis as stated by specialist:
Sensory inflammatory Neuropathy

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