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Sat, Oct 19 7:41pm · Has anyone been diagnosed with Abdominal Wall Pain in Chronic Pain

Go to a Physical Therapist!! Just get a general referral, and let them evaluate you! You likely have a lot of tightness/issues that you aren't even aware of. The injections usually don't help because it's not as simple as just numbing pain in one very localized area. If your pain is (and I say IF) musculoskeletal in nature, it likely is the entire thoracic muscles/tissues that are affected (some more than others). The therapist can help localize the sources of your problems and help your loosen tightened areas and teach you ways to help maintain that on your own.

I think anyone who has had GI issues for a long time, likely has tightness/tension in abdominal wall, even back muscles, because we tend to 'hold' areas of pain tightly.

See another thread on here that just started about MFR, myofascial release,one technique used by therapists.

Most MD's don't understand or have any clue what PT does. I'm surprised you were diagnosed with a musculoskeletal problem and NOT sent to PT! Ask your doctor for a referral, if he/she won't give you one (I can't imagine they wouldn't), maybe you have a primary care or other doctor who would.

It can't hurt, you will learn a lot of things that are helpful, and if it doesn't help at all, will rule out having a musculoskeletal cause for your pain.

Sat, Oct 19 7:32pm · Tight Band Around Ribs in Digestive Health

That was an excellent, explanation Jennifer! I'm glad you included the part about being an 'active participant', as that is critical. Sounds like you have a good therapist.

Sat, Oct 19 7:30pm · Tight Band Around Ribs in Digestive Health

I realize you asked someone else, but if you've had a problem for years, it's going to take "time", whatever that mean. I'm a PT, and just my opinion, but MFR is one technique, a very helpful one, but not always enough. It's not a miracle cure, and you aren't going to be fixed in one session. Ideally, your therapist will also include some 'homework' exercises and some other things, i.e stretching, exercises, postural instruction to help you maintain your results! It is something that you will need to work on every day, not just go to therapy. I don't know you, so I'm not going to even say anything about time. You should ask the therapist 🙂 .

Sat, Oct 19 7:23pm · Tight Band Around Ribs in Digestive Health

I was going to write and suggest seeing a physical therapist! and saw that @jenniferhunter did also! (I am a PT, however , not pushing it b/c of that :), but suggesting from personal and professional experience 🙂 . Being a PT, I never even thought about it for myself, however I eventually went to a PT and it was one of the most helpful things I've done! (didn't help my GI problem of course, but might help with something like symptoms you are describing! When we are in pain, without even realizing it, we tend to hold that area of our body 'tightly" or still, almost as if to protect it. When you have chronic pain, over years, you can develop tightness in muscles and tissues in the area from doing this, and you aren't even aware of it. Sometimes then, those constantly tight, tense muscles and tissues can become a secondary source of pain/discomfort. I think this is often overlooked in the GI world.

Myofascial release is just one treatment modality, it doesn't have to be all (and I wouldn't suggest it be all). Ideally you want to incorporate some active exercises/stretching to maintain the results. I had no idea how tight I was throughout my torso, it was even hard for me to take a deep breath. I had no idea how I was holding my body so tensely all the time! And I am a PT!!! It usually takes someone putting their hands on you so your body can "learn" how to relax again. It's not something you can just 'tell it" to do. You re likely holding yourself in ways that reinforce the tightness. You will be amazed at all the PT can do!

The thing is, it can't hurt, you'll probably learn some helpful things, and if it doesn't help your problem, you will have ruled out a musculoskeletal cause. In the meantime.. I'd just work on some diaphragmatic/deep breathing on your own.. just a few minutes at a time throughout the day. I bet you will feel a 'stretching' in your ribcage just with this. One little exercise I use is to put your hands where you feel the tightness, i.e even cross your arms like you are giving yourself a little 'hug'. Breath in, and concentrate on directing the breath where your hands are. Don't force! Just gentle. You are using your breath to give yourself a little stretch in that area. If it is painful.. don't do it! Oh, and this is not medical advice, just a friendly suggestion from fellow patient 🙂

Good luck! I think you have a good chance of helping this!

Sat, Oct 19 7:06pm · 3 week pain clinic in Digestive Health

Ginnyodie.. Oh, this was in August, hopefully you are still here.. I was reading the threads about the pain program. All of the people had orthopedic type pain or were trying to get off of opioids.

I did see this also, which I had no idea was even possible, and certainly wasn't suggested to me!!!

" About 2 months ago my doctor asked if I would consider Medical Marijuana as a treatment for my pain as it is available in Minnesota since August. I agreed and and after a brief visit with a state-approved MD who referred me to a state approved pharmacy to decide what form and dose would be best for me. It was advised I take a 50/50 mixture of THC and HBD orally twice daily and a 100% THC SL spray for breakthrough pain which I rarely need "

I know people with some GI disorders have found marijuana to be a lifesaver, i.e. Chrohn's disease, just general GI issues. I would like to explore it, but haven't been able to b/c it's not legal in my state, even medical; so I don't have anyone to work with me on what 'dose' to take, etc, But heck, I had no idea I could go to a pharmacy in MN and have someone work with me! Might be something to consider. I'm gonna ask my Mayo Dr. about this, if he's still talking to me 😀 😀 . He'll probably say no, knowing him.

Otherwise, from what I'm reading about the pain program, I don't think it would be helpful for me.

Sat, Oct 19 7:03pm · Pain rehabilitation in Chronic Pain

Geez this is 3 1/2 years ago, so you probably won't see.. but my Dr. never told me about this! I have GI pain and there is NOTHING for me, except people often get relief with medical marijuana. So, you go to the pharmacy and they help you figure out dose, form ,etc? What department is your doctor in?

Sat, Oct 19 6:58pm · Diarrhea after eating, abdominal pain. in Digestive Health

Oh, okay, wasn't sure if you noticed that. And yes, if you aren't getting anywhere with a Dr., I think it's wise to change. Someone else might pick up on something, but whatever the case, you aren't helping yourself by staying with someone who isn't helping. Something is causing the inflammation, and that's what needs to be explored.

Sat, Oct 19 6:31pm · 3 week pain clinic in Digestive Health

I'm so sorry ginnyodie, and I commiserate with you. I don't have gastroparesis (well not officially, but I have a defunct small intestine 🙂 ) , and have been dealing with horrific pain for 11 years, so I understand your 'pain'.. pun intended. You know, these programs all sound good, but honestly, I don't think anything works as well as a drug to block pain.. and there is NOTHING for us GI people. We can't even do opioids b/c they make us sick (I think that is generally true). Heck, all this political anti-opioid propaganda (can you tell I have an opinion 🙂 ) has done is keep people who legitimately need pain meds from getting them. I'm a PT and a friend just had a knew replacement and NO pain meds.. NONE! She's a 70 year old lady, doesn't even drink and is about as much at risk for becoming an addict as I am going to be the next President. She is suffering horribly, and can't do her rehab as she should. It's ridiculous. Unfortunately, the medical community has now swung away from meds. If you have GI pain you are expected to just suffer, I guess.

I've done physical therapy for my abdominal wall and pelvic floor, exercise, meditation (I studied for a year with a buddhist monk), bought self- hypnosis CD's, rested, gone to the therapist.. and none of it has changed the pain one bit. IMO, something is causing the pain, and until or if that can be remedied, nothing is going to help except lying down with a heating pad. (that's what I do), which doesn't take it away, but feels better temporarily.

I pray someday there will be help for us.. and for you. I feel like that is about all there is left to do.

HOWEVER! – that said, I know it sounds a little 'woo-woo' (as I call it), but there has been some actual research to show that hypnosis (done by someone specifically trained to do this for GI tract), has been helpful for people with IBS pain (which is G(, at least). I know our minds our powerful, but I can't seem to get mine to block out pain signals no matter how much I've tried. I was going to explore this. I know there is some place out east that does this.. I can't remember.. and they have a list of therapist around the country. I'll try to look for it. In the UK there is a center that is big on the hypnosis and self hypnosis, so if you can't find a practitioner, you might be able to get something you could listen to yourself.. as a second best. There is a therapist who is trained in my city so I think I may give it a try. It would be something you could do, at least, that can't hurt. I'm pretty sure no insurance company would pay for hypnosis, unless you got a savvy therapist who knows their way around the coding system :), but I'm sure it would be a lot cheaper than 50K. It's not long term, they get you set up and then I think it's something you continue on your own.