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Fri, Feb 22 3:28pm · Klonopin taper in Depression & Anxiety

Hi @lizaa
I’m just chiming in with a little input from my current taper. I’m on a liquid suspension taper and I have to make very tiny cuts.

1- make sure if you do a liquid taper and have it compounded, that the pharmacy compounding for you uses a simple syrup suspension. Suspensions often have artificial sweeteners and preservatives, those make me terribly sick.! I avoid all artificial sweeteners as they make my symptoms 100% worse. My first suspension was not simple syrup and I was sick for several weeks after the first dose. I did some research on the suspension used and realized I had ingested Splenda. That was a nightmare experience.

2- Make sure they compound with the same brand pill you are currently using. Generic Clonazepam can vary a lot in their formulation. Different fillers and binders from one manufacture to another. Those changes from brand to brand can create different reactions and my experience has been that some symptoms can be more intense with certain generic brands of Clonazepam. Everybody is different but the variations from one pill to another really affect me. So I keep tabs on the brand.

Overall I have found it is way more costly to have it compounded (@80.00) but it is much more accurate in cutting doses and easier to make cuts bc I can make them very small. So very much worth the extra expense. Google liquid benzo taper and you can get the jist of it online. There are some good videos out there

Hope this helps some!
Love & Strength
Ann

PS your dr will have to write the script for suspension in order to get it in suspension

Sun, Jan 20 1:58pm · Tapering off clonazepam (Klonopin, Rivotril) in Depression & Anxiety

Hello,
I use the elixinol brand, 3600 bottle in tincture. That is a 120ml (4oz) bottle, that I order directly from the company. I use about 1.5 bottles per month. I pay 224.00 per bottle including a10% discount for being a repeat customer. Free shipping in the US, not sure about Canada tho. I know they do ship to Canada tho.
Here is the dosage I take:
10am- 30 mg CBD
2pm- 30mg CBD
8pm- 60 mg CBD
10pm- 60 mg CBD
10pm – 10mg Naturol extended release melatonin.
If I wake up during the night, I take 15-30mg CBD and drop back into sleep.
I have found that sticking to a consistent dosing schedule works best for me and if I’m having an anxiety issue I dose a .5ml extra at that time, that generally doesn’t happen as I avoid any stress I can. Btw the melatonin helps greatly at night and I use a melatonin tincture 3mg at bedtime as well. So a total of 13mg melatonin at bedtime. I am not using any other meds for sleep and refuse to take any other psychotropic meds other than the Klonopin & CBD.
I would be very careful with valerian root, Passion flower, etc. They act the same as benzodiazepines so yes you will sleep but those supplements will not help you upregulate your GABA receptors. Do some deep research on any supplement you take. I have gotten myself into real trouble with them…
Best,
Ann

Tue, Feb 12 7:03pm · Tapering off clonazepam (Klonopin, Rivotril) in Depression & Anxiety

Thank you Jim!! My fingers are crossed for continued slow success. I will say this much, tapering off Clonazepam has been very educational to say the least. Best to you!
Ann

Tue, Feb 12 6:29pm · Tapering off clonazepam (Klonopin, Rivotril) in Depression & Anxiety

Hello Jake,
Previous cuts were .0010mg once every week or so. Very micro as I have been able to cut less and less as I became more sick with the progression of the taper. Last cut on Saturday was .0450mg. Still feeling decent compared to last week. Shooting for another cut Saturday after next.

Tue, Feb 12 10:39am · Tapering off clonazepam (Klonopin, Rivotril) in Depression & Anxiety

THIS IS FOR EVERYONE…..
This past week or so has been rough. Monday of last week I started a new bottle of clonazepam( .5mg tablets) from my local Walgreens. I started to feel really sick and nauseous, benzo flu symptoms, increased anxiety, not sleeping as well as I normally can. Tuesday I woke up feeling depression, which I normally don’t have, as well as being even more nauseous. I had some really strong chest pains after my morning pill (.125mg). Couldn’t eat much due to my stomach and a migraine headache. Wednesday, same thing. I felt so awful Wednesday night and I told my husband I felt like I was in acute WD, but it’s been 8 days since I reduced my dosage which was tiny and I’d been thru the hard part for that cut. Thursday night I slept 3 hours and started vomiting at 5:30 am. My husband thought maybe I actually had the flu, but no fever and no body aches like flu. So I googled the generic pill that I have been on since my taper started and WOW what many people said wasn’t good. I have been taking the ACCORD brand .5mg clonazepam tablet, it’s peach colored. I had a script of Solco .5mg clonazepam that the pharmacy had filled and replaced bc I only use the Accord pill. It cuts better, shatters less. So I took Solco and i realized pretty quick it was different. I didn’t feel drugged like I do after I take the Accord pills, which I always thought was my reaction to tapering and WD. Long story short I have been on the Solco generic since last Thursday and I feel so much better. Slowly these crazy WD side effects that have been dogging me for the last 9 months are easing up. This is now feeling more like my first taper which was very mild in comparison to now. Plus I made my scheduled cut on Saturday only it was 3.5xs bigger than my normal micro cut (which usually puts me in beds for a few days) and I had NO big side effects. Just a mild headache and kinda irritable for 36 hours. No nausea, no stomach ache and I could still eat. I’m 3 days out from my cut and still no big crash. I called the pharmacist and told him what was going on with the 1 brand vs the other. He told me the brands are different, while the active ingredient is the same the rest of the pill varies from manufacturer to manufacture. Also, leagally they can be + or – up to 6% of the active ingredient. Not good in a taper. He said I was probably sensitive or allergic to one of the inactive ingredient in the Accord tablet.!Maybe so but the pills I got definitely came up short on the clonazepam, why else would I go into withdrawal??? Turns out most generic meds are made in India or China with no oversight in the manufacturing process from the FDA. All these companies do is submit an analysis of their drug formulation and get approval to manufacture from the FDA. Yes I’m over simplifying it but that’s the short of it. So if you are feeling horrible maybe consider switching brands and see if you improve. It never in a million years occurred to me that the actual clonazepam pill might be causing some of my misery but I really think it has as I have been on the Solco pill 5 days now and I feel so much less sick and drugged. Kinda makes me 😡 I will now be switching over to entirely simple syrup liquid suspension made with Solco brand clonazepam. Hopefully I can gain some ground in tapering and continue to tolerate a little larger cut as I continue to taper. Hope this helps in some way, definitely food for thought.
Love & Strength
Ann

Sat, Feb 9 9:29pm · Tapering off clonazepam (Klonopin, Rivotril) in Depression & Anxiety

Jake,
Do you live in the state of Arkansas?? I have a very good dr who is well educated in benzo tapering and withdrawl. She practiced at the University of Arkansas School of Medical Science In their chemical and drug dependency clinic for 10 years. She is now in private practice. Let me know if you live in state. Not sure she treats patients long distance or from out of state.
Ann

Fri, Feb 8 6:00pm · Tapering off clonazepam (Klonopin, Rivotril) in Depression & Anxiety

Hello,
I’m so sorry you are in this position and feel so lost. The thing you must know as you move forward to resolve your health issues is that you must act as your own best advocate. You are worried you have a mental health problem, and we are not health practitioners so we can’t enlighten you there. A doctor of psychiatry must do that. However, you are on multiple psychotropic meds and everyone reacts differently so it is very possible that these psychotropic drugs in combination are causing your to experience symptoms that mimic mental health issues. That’s a very real possibility and if you start researching you will read over and over about others who are on multiple meds and are weaning off them one by one and gradually feeling better.
As for sleep, from what I have read in my researching, it will return gradually over time as your brain heals from the benzos and other meds. I am currently on 1.09mg of clonazepam and no other psychotropic drugs. I have been on this benzo for 12 years. It has wreaked my sleep. I take 10 mg of time released melatonin( Naturol brand) plus 2mg of melatonin drops (KAL brand) and 30mg of (Elixinol brand) CBD oil with my doctors approval. I am usually able to sleep 6 to 7 hours, sometimes well, sometimes not. I think brands are important and I research them. You should talk to your dr before you add anything to what you are taking.
If you are taking vitamins and supplements you should google their use during benzo withdrawal as they might be making your symptoms worse: Google gabergenic supplements and do some research, you might be surprised by what works against you. If you drink alcohol, it most likely is working against you. I was a casual/social drinker and figured out it depressed me as I tapered. I do not drink alcohol now under any circumstance. Look at your diet too.
Again, ask pharmacists if they know of any drs working to SLOWLY taper patients off benzos. Tell them your history and tell them you want off the drugs. They know who is good/successful with their patients. They witness drug treatment everyday. It doesn’t hurt to ask and costs you nothing but time and effort.
If you want to reclaim your health it can happen but you will have to develop a suuport network. Psychiatrist, therapist, primary care physician all working for you in your corner, supporting your recovery and you will need to address “the issue” you mentioned, that is preventing your ability to sleep. I’m a 54 year old woman who started dealing with the issues at 42, it took awhile and it was not easy, but in the end it helped and I let go of a lot of stuff dragging me down. Now I just have to get off the benzo (slowly)!
Best
Ann