Thoughts Following April 10 Webinar with Dr. Oliver Sartor
On April 10 the Mayo Clinic hosted a seminar for the Prostate Cancer Support group. As only 22 folks signed on for the on-line briefing, I thought I would provide some of the major points and feedback.
The speaker was Dr. Oliver Sartor, the Director of Radiopharmaceutical Clinical Trials at Mayo. He is an oncologist, and provided a wealth of information about how clinical trials for new drugs work. (Colleen, if you are reading this, I believe most of this seminar was above the heads of us non-medical folks. It would most benefit urologists and oncologists who are not as familiar with clinical trials).
Yes, some folks watching on-line asked if there were charts we could see, and one person also posted data this was hard to follow. A lot of time was spent elaborating on the goals for a new drug: Is it effective, what are side effects, what is right dosage and frequency, could it be toxic, and others. First tests are done on animals, then phase 1 testing is with humans. The trials have many criteria to screen for; they want to have outstanding results in at least 1/3 of results, reasonable in 1/3, and not great in 1/3.
Dr. Sartor described the FDA standard for trials as "How do you know you are getting better"? "Will you live longer"? "Feel better" "Will the cancer progress slower"? and "Will it shrink the tumor"? Dr. Sartor also touched on unknown unknowns; researchers know some of what they believe the drug will do, but over long trials factors come up that were unanticipated.
To make the point on how difficult finding new and better drugs, about 1000 potential drugs were given trials and in 2023 the FDA only approved 14 drugs for cancer. He did mention 6 trials on-going that look good for approval.
My comment: I would have liked a chart that listed recent cancer drugs approved, and which could pertain to prostate cancer. Dr. Sartor did mention people can go to clinicaltrials.gov to look for information, but that it is suited for medical personnel. I have been to that site, and it is very difficult to find what you are looking for.
Dr. Sartor is involved in the Pluvicto trials. I would like to know more about how that will help prostate cancer patients. He also briefly mentioned Fusion therapy. I had to look that up myself, and found this reference: "Fusion genes are mutations that are only present in cancer cells. There are drugs that directly target or inhibit the fusion that is making the cancer grow."
That pretty much summed up what I heard from Dr. Sartor. Let me comment on what I would like to have briefed in the near future.
1. What are the latest cancer drugs approved for prostate cancer, and who do they most benefit? In particular, what drugs benefit men who have had radiation therapy, and now are on hormone drugs?
2. In 2016 the federal government initiated the Cancer Moonshot. Some of that funding has gone towards prostate cancer research. One program created from the Moonshot is the Adult Immunotherapy Network (IOTN). There are trials and some use of immunotherapy right now. My limited knowledge is that this is mostly used if hormone drugs no longer help. Yet, the logic is that finding a way to use our own immune system to target and destroy cancer cells in our body is the best, and possibly only way for that thing we all desire, a real cure for the cancer.
3. I am aware that Quantum computers are being developed, and are expected to be operational in 5 years. Why should we care? Quantum computers will have as much as 1000 times the power than any current super computer. I don't understand much about them, but it occurs to me that Quantum computers will revolutionize medical research, and be capable of calculations that could create drugs specific to one individual that would attack and destroy cancer cells in their body.
4. I would very much like to have a seminar that focuses on what is the latest and greatest right now for prostate cancer, and what is likely to come down the pike in 5 years that will possibly cure our cancer, regardless of what stage we are at. Quite simply, we need a seminar that promises hope. Most of us can hang in there for 5 more years, but we need hope as much as drugs.
Interested in more discussions like this? Go to the Prostate Cancer Support Group.
I watched the same thing you did and it was quite beneficial. I think I was able to get a lot out of it only because I’ve been battling this for nine years and have stayed up on everything. Prostate cancer like other cancers have Become so diverse and quite complicated. No one size shoe fits all And the appropriate treatment for each individual can be quite different dependent on the grade and severity of the cancer.
Where did you find out about this seminar? I would have watched. Thanks,Don
On the same page where you see the Prostate Cancer Support Group messages, scroll to the bottom of the page under "Events", and once a month there will be a notice for a Prostate Cancer seminar. usually there is at least a week's notice before it is held.
I agree that his talk was way over our heads. I did learn some good information from the discussion on dieting related to PC.
Following. Couldn't attend.
@dwheels8, monthly, Dr. Vetter hosts a monthly Zoom meeting (2nd Wed of the month at noon CT) for men with prostate cancer. The next meeting is May 8.
See more info here: https://connect.mayoclinic.org/event/prostate-cancer-support-group-104/
If you register with Dr. Vetter, you'll receive a monthly reminder.
See all patient events in the Events tab as @hector13 recommended https://connect.mayoclinic.org/events/
@hector13, wow. Many thanks for summarizing the webinar with Dr. Sartor. I hope you'll also provide your feedback to Dr. Vetter about bringing the presentation level to layman terms.
That said, researchers get so focused on their areas of study, that plain language becomes almost foreign to them. 😆 The patient educators at Mayo Clinic do a good job of describing the phases and purpose of clinical trials in general on this page including videos
- About clinical trials https://www.mayo.edu/research/clinical-trials/about-clinical-studies
I agree that finding clinical trials for which you are eligible can be daunting. Usually it is best to talk about oncologist about available trials suitable to you. Another option is to call Mayo Clinic Clinical Trials to speak with a research coordinator who can help navigate the search with you.
- Find Clinical Trials https://www.mayo.edu/research/clinical-trials
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Thanks again, Hector!
I had the same problem; became discouraged, and left early. I hope, in the near future, they will find a way to bring the discussion down to a laypersons level.
In the meantime, let’s keep the faith!
Amen to that!