Starting Proton Treatments for Prostate Cancer: Any experiences?

Posted by desertrat @desertrat, Feb 5, 2022

I am 69, just been diagnosed with prostate cancer, Gleason score of 3 + 4, PSA is 4.2. I have opted to do 28 treatments of proton radiation only. I would appreciate hearing from others who have been through this and how it worked out for you. Thanks in advance!

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@dell2u
It can take up to three years for all of the prostate cancer cells to die off after having radiation. You’ll probably know in six months, but you never know. You’re just wait until the PSA shows the lowest number over time.

While the radiation can take care of it, many people have reoccurrences. You never know how long that’s going to take, Sometimes it can reoccur in a year sometimes 10 or 15 or 20 years before it comes back. For some people, it never comes back.

To find out what your chance of reoccurrence is, you can get a decipher test or maybe even an ArteraAI test. They both tell you the chance of reoccurrence.

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@jeffmarc
Thanks for the information about recurrence testing. It was never mentioned, but I kind of feel they try to streamline processing patients. I will look into it.

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Just finished 5 Proton treatments in 5 weeks for Gleason score 8 (4+4) after aborted prostatectomy due to diverticulitis scars. Moderate urinary burning and some bowels issues. Barrigel barrier is placed before treatments. Hate to have to wait 6 months for result.

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@dell2u
It can take up to three years for all of the prostate cancer cells to die off after having radiation. You’ll probably know in six months, but you never know. You’re just wait until the PSA shows the lowest number over time.

While the radiation can take care of it, many people have reoccurrences. You never know how long that’s going to take, Sometimes it can reoccur in a year sometimes 10 or 15 or 20 years before it comes back. For some people, it never comes back.

To find out what your chance of reoccurrence is, you can get a decipher test or maybe even an ArteraAI test. They both tell you the chance of reoccurrence.

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I struggle with the reality of having metastatic cancer. I printed out the following and taped it to my mirror. Every day it is a reminder for me to start the day on a positive note. Sure, it does not make the cancer go away, but it is a tool in my toolbox to help me cope. I hope you may be able to benefit from it. Take care everyone!
1. Don’t let denial take over. Be realistic and face the issue. That way you can make the most of the time available.
2. Have viable plans or goals for things you want to accomplish. Keep a purpose in your life. Life without meaning is empty. It doesn’t have to be that way—it depends on you.
3. To the degree possible, keep active. Even if physically restricted, your intellectual life has not ended. So why bring it to a premature close? Keep your mind active—reading, writing, painting, learning. Even include new projects.
4. Develop a positive attitude so that you can wisely use your resources. Self-pity is self-centered and self-destructive. Think in terms of what you can do for others. Your friends and relatives can be upbuilt by your positive attitude.
5. Try to retain a sense of humor and the ability to laugh at yourself. See the roses, not just the thorns. Appreciate the fact that you are living, not just the idea that, like everyone else, you are dying.

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Just finished 5 Proton treatments in 5 weeks for Gleason score 8 (4+4) after aborted prostatectomy due to diverticulitis scars. Moderate urinary burning and some bowels issues. Barrigel barrier is placed before treatments. Hate to have to wait 6 months for result.

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I just finished 42 weeks of proton therapy at Hampton University Proton Cancer Institute (HUPCI). Concurrent with my proton therapy, I am undergoing ADT, which will continue for another four months. I am including information on ADT since many recipients of proton therapy undergo ADT concurrently. The purpose of this posting is to share my experiences and as an “FYI” for fellow Mayo Connect readers, as well as to invite comment.
By way of background, I am 90+ years old, with medical benefits covered by original Medicare. As a military retiree, Tricare for Life (TFL) covers the 20% of a Medicare-approved treatment which would normally be paid by the patient. It also covers prescriptions not covered by Medicare. I am in generally good health, except for arthritis, moderately high blood pressure (effectively dealt with by relatively low doses of meds), neuropathy in my legs and feet and recently diagnosed sleep apnea leading to use of a CPAP. I try to make it to the YMCA daily, M-F, for 20-30 minutes of largely cardio exercise, mostly walking on a treadmill.
When the decision is made to proceed with proton therapy, the patient is scheduled for a “simulation appointment,” a preparatory procedure. The radiation oncology team needs to plan the exact radiation dose, treatment duration and position of the proton beam. During this appointment, the care team does the following:
Takes images of your prostate
Uses computer software to map the location of the tumor and surrounding areas
Positions you for treatment
Marks on your body where the beam will enter
Fits you for positioning devices to keep your body still during treatment
Also during this appointment your care team will probably want to implant fiducial markers in the prostate as guides/reference points for the planned proton therapy. They may also elect to place a spacer consisting of an absorbable gel (Barrigel), which is perineally injected between the prostate and the rectum. This is all done under light sedation. In many locations providing proton therapy, this is the only step taken to protect from stray radiation. HUPCI, however, takes an additional step. On a daily basis, preparatory to each radiation session, an inflatable balloon is inserted into the rectum and inflated with a saline solution prior to commencing the treatment. I am told this provides additional protection, especially to the apex the gland. The balloon is removed at the end of the session.
My course of treatment at HUPCI was largely uneventful. A surprising feature of proton therapy regimens described in Mayo Connect conversations is the wide variation in guidance provided regarding diet and pre-radiation bowel and bladder management. At HUPCI, the only guidance provided regarding the bowel was to avoid foods causing constipation. Other than that, no limitations, and no exhortations to present oneself with an empty bowel. Nothing even close to the requirement for daily enemas reported by some. There has been no guidance, or even simple suggestions relating to eggs, dairy products, coffee and spicy foods. After 30+ years in the Navy, I have become accustomed to coffee - a lot of coffee. I normally make an 8-cup pot in the morning and finish it off in the course of the day. I have made no adjustments to my diet in any way. And I continue to enjoy a glass or two of wine with my dinner 3 or 4 times a week
All locations seem to strive for a full bladder at the time of treatment, requiring the patient to drink copious amounts liquids within 40 minutes of the treatment. In my case, that was 32oz. I have no idea as to why bowel management is dealt with in such disparate ways.
My medical oncologist prescribed Orgovyx for my ADT. However, TFL did not approve use of Orgovyx, advising us to use a lower cost “approved” ADT option. As a result, ADT started with a Firmagon injection. A month later, TFL, in response to my appeal, reconsidered the original request, and authorized a change to a daily Orgovyx tablet.
The most common complaint I have seen described in Mayo Connect as related to ADT is the problem so many have with hot flashes. I have had only “warm flushes,” nothing really all that uncomfortable. The only step I have taken to counter these “warm flushes” is to throw off a blanket now and then at night. I take the Orgovyx in the evening and have had very few “flushes” during the day. An area of greater concern, into which I am inquiring with my medical oncologist, is comparatively wide variations in blood pressure, and frequent episodes of lightheadedness. In recent days, I have experienced blood pressure as low as 87/59, with a pulse rate of 75, and as high as 197/136, with a pulse rate of 81. I would be interested to hear if any readers of this posting have had similar experiences.
I have not been beset by the more extreme side effects upon which others have commented in this forum. No painful urination, no diarrhea, no constipation and no blood in stool or urine. However, frequency has at least doubled and overnight visits to the bathroom have gone from one or two per month to one or two (occasionally three) per night. I find having a weak stream and an inability to empty the bladder in a timely manner to be bothersome. If seated on a commode, the first increment of urination is usually 2–3 ounces, followed 1-2 minutes later by anything from a dribble to an ounce, followed by another 1-2 minutes delay, leading to another dribble of up to an ounce. This goes on for 8-10 minutes. I have found it advisable to be very wary of “bearing down“ to force the issue on urination, as I have had several close calls wherein I almost had an unintended bowel movement. This is particularly an issue when in public places using a urinal.
Thusfar, I have been unable to determine which of the concurrent therapies, proton beam or ADT, has caused the most pronounced negative side effects. The most impactful have been extreme fatigue, weakness and muscular pain, all of which are identified as potential side-effects of both therapies. The pain is effectively dealt with by taking 400mg ibuprofen. But fatigue and weakness are something else. By 2–3 p.m., my body is done. It seems to me that Orgovyx is likely the primary culprit in this regard.
Comments and/or suggestions as to how to deal with the side effects I have noted would be deeply appreciated.

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@georgemc
I was put on Orgovyx and Cymbalta,gabapentin. They did make me tired but I was able to do things. I was doing 30 minutes on elliptical daily. After being on these for 4 months I started 38 sessions of IMRT. I am currently on session 35. I come home and sit on my couch and go into a dazed state. I come out of it at some point and go out for a 3 mile walk. I have not been able to do the elliptical. I had to much muscle weakness and also got into radiation which trouble with fluids and electrolytes due to diarrhea. While the Orgovyx made me fill weak the radiation put it to another level. This is also true for being tired. I am completely out of it if I stop and have zero energy several hours after radiation. I am better on the weekend when I do not get radiation. The radiation is affecting me. I stop radiation Thursday and stop adt at six months which is Thursday and will start my “rehab”and PSA testing. Even though the radiation added to my weakened state the adt affecting me with mental changes, weakness, hot flashes, was by far the worst part.
Wishing you the best and the best wishes to everyone else. This whole thing has been a journey for me and everyone else and I hope it will stop. Everyone is affected differently and handle it in different ways. I have taken what I learned from others to help me. Thank you everyone

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jacksaunders, completely agree with your advise to billmoskowits. My urologist wanted to do biopsies via rectal as I have heart failure and was concerned about my heart. I think it is just easier as is done in office versus hospital. I disagreed with doing that way telling him have had multiple surgeries since heart failure and my cariologist has no problem with me having general anesthesia. I asked him to check with my cardiologist as I did not want to have rectal only if absoluelty needed.

I was also told there was 2% chance of serious infection if done rectally and virtually none if tranperinial. I did not like the comment to me: "oh even if you get the infection you would only have to stay 2 days in hospital." My cardiologist confirmed to uroliogist general anesthisia okay and I had it done that way.

I say all this as each of us needs to be proactive and speak up. If you question something question it. Seek second opinions, seek more advice. As you can see the easy way for your urologist was not good for you. So your advise of having it done transpeinal and under general anesthesia is what I would have said too.

The anethesist I had was same one I had for a recent colonoscopy and knew me. He said you won't have a problem but I will be monitoring you.

For the Space/Oar and markers I had it done transperinial at UFPTI. It was done with lanicane and laughing gas. Was more of just uncomfortable than painful. They have your legs wide apart and up.

I would like to know from others how they got their Space/Oar and markers done.

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@jc76 general Anastasia no pain or discomfort

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@desertrat, I was diagnosed with prostate cancer in June '21 at the age of 73 and with a 6.5 PSA. Like you, I was Gleason 7 (3+4). Had no side effects during or after my 28 Proton-only treatments. My first follow-up PSA is next month (March '22) so I'll know more about my current situation then. According to my radiation oncologist, I should expect this PSA to drop by 50%, followed by another 50% reduction at 6 months, so stay tuned!

Happy trails to you.

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@desertrat As I approach my 5 year anniversary, PSA is 0.27 as of 6/12/2026 blood draw (new nadir).

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I just finished 42 weeks of proton therapy at Hampton University Proton Cancer Institute (HUPCI). Concurrent with my proton therapy, I am undergoing ADT, which will continue for another four months. I am including information on ADT since many recipients of proton therapy undergo ADT concurrently. The purpose of this posting is to share my experiences and as an “FYI” for fellow Mayo Connect readers, as well as to invite comment.
By way of background, I am 90+ years old, with medical benefits covered by original Medicare. As a military retiree, Tricare for Life (TFL) covers the 20% of a Medicare-approved treatment which would normally be paid by the patient. It also covers prescriptions not covered by Medicare. I am in generally good health, except for arthritis, moderately high blood pressure (effectively dealt with by relatively low doses of meds), neuropathy in my legs and feet and recently diagnosed sleep apnea leading to use of a CPAP. I try to make it to the YMCA daily, M-F, for 20-30 minutes of largely cardio exercise, mostly walking on a treadmill.
When the decision is made to proceed with proton therapy, the patient is scheduled for a “simulation appointment,” a preparatory procedure. The radiation oncology team needs to plan the exact radiation dose, treatment duration and position of the proton beam. During this appointment, the care team does the following:
Takes images of your prostate
Uses computer software to map the location of the tumor and surrounding areas
Positions you for treatment
Marks on your body where the beam will enter
Fits you for positioning devices to keep your body still during treatment
Also during this appointment your care team will probably want to implant fiducial markers in the prostate as guides/reference points for the planned proton therapy. They may also elect to place a spacer consisting of an absorbable gel (Barrigel), which is perineally injected between the prostate and the rectum. This is all done under light sedation. In many locations providing proton therapy, this is the only step taken to protect from stray radiation. HUPCI, however, takes an additional step. On a daily basis, preparatory to each radiation session, an inflatable balloon is inserted into the rectum and inflated with a saline solution prior to commencing the treatment. I am told this provides additional protection, especially to the apex the gland. The balloon is removed at the end of the session.
My course of treatment at HUPCI was largely uneventful. A surprising feature of proton therapy regimens described in Mayo Connect conversations is the wide variation in guidance provided regarding diet and pre-radiation bowel and bladder management. At HUPCI, the only guidance provided regarding the bowel was to avoid foods causing constipation. Other than that, no limitations, and no exhortations to present oneself with an empty bowel. Nothing even close to the requirement for daily enemas reported by some. There has been no guidance, or even simple suggestions relating to eggs, dairy products, coffee and spicy foods. After 30+ years in the Navy, I have become accustomed to coffee - a lot of coffee. I normally make an 8-cup pot in the morning and finish it off in the course of the day. I have made no adjustments to my diet in any way. And I continue to enjoy a glass or two of wine with my dinner 3 or 4 times a week
All locations seem to strive for a full bladder at the time of treatment, requiring the patient to drink copious amounts liquids within 40 minutes of the treatment. In my case, that was 32oz. I have no idea as to why bowel management is dealt with in such disparate ways.
My medical oncologist prescribed Orgovyx for my ADT. However, TFL did not approve use of Orgovyx, advising us to use a lower cost “approved” ADT option. As a result, ADT started with a Firmagon injection. A month later, TFL, in response to my appeal, reconsidered the original request, and authorized a change to a daily Orgovyx tablet.
The most common complaint I have seen described in Mayo Connect as related to ADT is the problem so many have with hot flashes. I have had only “warm flushes,” nothing really all that uncomfortable. The only step I have taken to counter these “warm flushes” is to throw off a blanket now and then at night. I take the Orgovyx in the evening and have had very few “flushes” during the day. An area of greater concern, into which I am inquiring with my medical oncologist, is comparatively wide variations in blood pressure, and frequent episodes of lightheadedness. In recent days, I have experienced blood pressure as low as 87/59, with a pulse rate of 75, and as high as 197/136, with a pulse rate of 81. I would be interested to hear if any readers of this posting have had similar experiences.
I have not been beset by the more extreme side effects upon which others have commented in this forum. No painful urination, no diarrhea, no constipation and no blood in stool or urine. However, frequency has at least doubled and overnight visits to the bathroom have gone from one or two per month to one or two (occasionally three) per night. I find having a weak stream and an inability to empty the bladder in a timely manner to be bothersome. If seated on a commode, the first increment of urination is usually 2–3 ounces, followed 1-2 minutes later by anything from a dribble to an ounce, followed by another 1-2 minutes delay, leading to another dribble of up to an ounce. This goes on for 8-10 minutes. I have found it advisable to be very wary of “bearing down“ to force the issue on urination, as I have had several close calls wherein I almost had an unintended bowel movement. This is particularly an issue when in public places using a urinal.
Thusfar, I have been unable to determine which of the concurrent therapies, proton beam or ADT, has caused the most pronounced negative side effects. The most impactful have been extreme fatigue, weakness and muscular pain, all of which are identified as potential side-effects of both therapies. The pain is effectively dealt with by taking 400mg ibuprofen. But fatigue and weakness are something else. By 2–3 p.m., my body is done. It seems to me that Orgovyx is likely the primary culprit in this regard.
Comments and/or suggestions as to how to deal with the side effects I have noted would be deeply appreciated.

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My husband and brother both had proton therapy versus prostate removal. Both say they are very happy with that decision. Before his decision, my husband did extensive research and talked to 10 different men who had surgery. Only 1 of the 10 said they were happy with having it removed. Most said the incontinence and/or having to wear a pad/diaper were awful. That made the decision to do proton therapy much easier for him.

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Has anyone out there had a problem with the interaction of Orgovyx and lisinopril? Since starting the ADT (with Orgovyx), I have experienced wide swings in my blood pressure, from a low of 87/59 to a high of 197/136, plus a large number of experiences with lightheadedness and instability when standing. My Primary Care Physician has taken me off the lisinopril, pending arrangements for me to wear a heart monitor for a period. I have a “normal“ EKG.

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My friend had his removed but had standard radiation after and he was sick after each treatment and is still on medication. I've met many treated for prostate cancer and were never told of Proton. I brought up surgery and Proton and was told the results are no better. Proton and surgery have higher success rates and the side effects are minimal and quality of life afterwards is so much better . I knew this from reading a patient written book given out by the Proton place I used. He stood in front of me told me what I was going to do,no ifs ands or buts and lied about my Gleason score also. I'll never refer to him as a dr. I would have been dead years ago and before I would have had a terrible existence. My 3rd grand girl was born 1 month before I was diagnosed. Because of Proton I ride bikes with her everyday !

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