Received the news on Halloween. I have prostate cancer. Need advice.

Posted by frank1956 @frank1956, Nov 1, 2025

I previously had 2 benign biopsies in 2024. Urologist/Oncologist asked to follow up in a year. So on September 2025, I did PSA (5.4) and MRI (2 legions PI-RADS3, and PI-RADS4). These 2 legions are similar in size with the previous 2 MRI's from 2024.
Doctor ordered a biopsy. On Halloween day, the report came and it shows out of 18 cores, there are 2 Gleason 6, and 1 Gleason 7 (3+4), which is with 40% core, and G4 is 10%.
I am scheduled to see my Urologist/Oncologist on Wednesday. I will ask for a Decipher or Polaris test and a PSMA scan. Maybe a genetic test to check BRCA1, BRCA2 genes?
I am not sure what else to ask from the doctor. Any advice will be greatly appreciated.

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First, don't panic but get your prostate treated either surgery, radiation, or both whichever you and your doctor agree. My nonprofessional advice is the sooner you get it treated the better. Watchful waiting will only give the cancer time to spread. You do not want that.

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I'm sorry to hear the news, but it sounds like it was found in early stages, so be grateful for that. There are lots of folks in this group with lots of experience and opinions, which helps, but I also recommend a book that gives lot of great advice based on actual clinical trials and studies: Dr. Patrick Walsh's Guide to Surviving Prostate Cancer. Be sure to get the 5th edition, which came out this year, not the first, which was around 2001. I wish I had read the book before my surgery; I would still have had the surgery, but would have been much better informed about the decision, and about what was yet to come post surgery. Best of luck to you.

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Depends on where the tumor(s) are located. If near the colon wall I would not just sit there and watch as that is a danger zone. Once in the colon, things become more difficult. If central, then maybe a wait and watch, but I can assure you that your gleason scores will change. I would undergo a a URONAV biopsy for precise location.
My second biopsy cancer cells were missed entirely until the a guided URONAV was performed.

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I'm a fit 74 year old. I had the same (3+4) Gleason score as you on my second biopsy, a year after the first 3+3. I ultimately decided to have radiation treatment, but the reasoning is possibly useful to you. Yes, I could have continued Active Surveillance, but we already see that the cancer is growing, even if it's not high risk. The doc said he could not endlessly do biopsies. I had a Decipher test (highly recommended) that showed relatively low risk and no need for hormone therapy, but still...how long do you want this growing within you? That's a question every man needs to answer for himself. What I found is all the tests and medical appointments were very stressful and it was affecting my mental health and my partner's. I decided let's treat this now rather than later and try to move on with life.

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Someone recommended this boat to me, and I found a very helpful: Dr. Patrick Walsh’s Guide to Surviving Prostate Cancer.

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Lots of great advice. Let me add two more thoughts for you.

One if you don't have it get Dr. John Walsh's book on "How to Survive Prostate Cancer", get the 5th edition. You will learn everything you need to know.

Two, consider a plant based diet, away from dairy and animal fats. Not conclusive but seems to reduce the spread of prostate cancer.

Best wishes on your journey.

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The optimal radiation dose is provided by Interstitial Radiotherapy (a/k/a permanent 'seeds', low dose brachytherapy, LDR brachytherapy. Go to PCRI.org YOU-TUBE video entitled Brachytherapy 101, listen to the Q & A afterwards for other clinicians qualified to preform it, Also see results of the 2025 of the Annual ASCO Meeting on that same website. There is a problem with recommending 'LDR' its reimbursement return is too low.

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My results were similar and I was going to be on active surveillance until my Decipher score was high enough to cause concern. But, even with that, I had plenty of time to get my ducks in a row before doing anything and I talked to 9 different doctors (urologists, medical oncologists, radiation oncologists) to make sure everyone was on the same page, and they were, so out it came. So far, so good, no side effects and doing well.

Now that you have been given more time, make use of it and find out everything to know about PC and talk to every doctor you can - especially while in the final throws of this deductible year!

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@jeffmarc
Thank you, Jeff. I am a UCLA patient. I believe they do have an Active Surveillance program. I will discuss with my doctors next week to see if I am qualified.

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@frank1956 I am sure that was spooky Halloween news for you. I am a UCLA patient as well (soon to be 74 yo) with similar Gleason scores (3+3 and low volume 3+4) on initial biopsy 10/2021. Low Oncotype scores and negative for BRCA mutations, I was recommended AS. After 4 years my PSA escalated and biopsy showed transition to Gleason 4+5 with unchanged MRI and PSMA PET Scan localized disease. AS allowed me 4 years without intervention, though with the changes this summer treatment clearly was necessary. I just completed high dose SBRT regiment at UCLA Radiation Oncology and started ADT (planned for 12-18 mos per RO). Good luck to you on your journey.

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@brianjarvis
Regarding 2nd opinion of biopsies. Since UCLA facility is one of the center of excellence, I am not sure if other facilities will disagree with their findings? But I will certainly ask the doctor who did the biopsy on me, next week.

As to the words cribriform pattern, extracapsular extension, seminal vesicle invasion, perineural invasion or intraductal carcinoma ---> On their pathology report, total 18 cores were extracted. There is a table for each core. There are 3 columns: Crib4, IDC, PNI. I looked it up, they refer to Cribriform, Intraductal Carcinoma, and Perineural Invasion. None are checked.

For PSA numbers. It is 5.4 and Prostate size is 59cc, so density is 0.09. No free PSA number this time. For PSA doubling time, I asked chat gpt. Since last PSA was 4.5. So, doubling time is 3.5 years?

Than you for your thoughts

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@frank1956 A few years ago, I was in a webinar with Dr. Jonathan Epstein (Johns Hopkins) as the speaker. He made a comment regarding 2nd opinions that was something like “If two pathologists agree 2/3rds of the time, that’s considered good.”

(Prior to starting my proton radiation treatments, a 2nd opinion upgraded my Gleason from 7(3+4) to 7(4+3). Not knowing which was “right” - the 3+4 or the 4+3 (since they were both educated, experienced opinions) - I chose to be treated per the higher Gleason. So we simply added 6 months (two 3-month injections) of Eligard to my treatment regimen.)

That’s good that none of those terms are mentioned in the MRI or biopsy reports. Some of those terms are indicators of more advanced disease.

Regarding Free PSA. That’s not a standard PSA test, but they’ll do it if you ask. PSA circulates in the blood in two forms – either attached to certain blood proteins or unattached (“free”). If the PSA is between 4.0-10.0, but the % of Free PSA is low (< 25%), it may indicate a higher disease risk. (Another datapoint in the decision-making process.)

PSA Doubling Time (PSADT) –> The number of months it takes for PSA to double. If the PSADT was < 10 months, patients tend to do worse. (Again, just another datapoint in the decision-making process.)

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