Reactive skin & ostomy supplies: Are there always solutions?

Posted by mscheib2 @mscheib2, Feb 26 11:57am

I have to have radical cystectomy in a few weeks. I am leaning towards ileal conduit for urinary diversion. However, I have extremely reactive skin such that I am unable to wear any kind of jewelry and have to be careful about fabrics. For example, any ring--be it metal or even wood--eventually causes my skin to break out in blisters and ooze pus. In the summer I get extreme jock itch that, despite using barriers recommended by my dermatologist, sometimes requires steroids and anti-fungals to get it under control.

As a test, I wore a standard Hollister bag for three days. When I removed it, several areas of my skin had blisters. Three days later, there are still some blisters and the other affected spots are still discolored.

The doctor says that stoma nurses are excellent at finding hypoallergenic ostomy materials to accommodate "nearly every" patient. My fear, though, is the possibility that I could discover AFTER THE SURGERY that I am an outlier for whom no ostomy materials will prevent severe reactions.

Is there anyone in this group who has reactive skin like this but for whom the ostomy nurses indeed found products that don't create a reaction? And is there anyone who learned only post-surgery that no products will work? If so, how was the problem resolved?

I only get one chance to decide which urinary diversion to choose. I really don't want to mess this up. The ileal conduit otherwise makes the most sense for me--shorter surgery, faster recovery, lower complication rate, lower hospital readmittance rate, not having to self-catheterize, ability to sleep through the night, less risk of re-surgery due to narrowing stricture, and--above all--easier on myself and caregivers if I live long enough to experience cognitive decline and weak abdominal muscles. However, if there is a chance that I will be miserable every day from skin reactions to stoma supplies while I am still relatively young (66) and healthy, it won't be worth it.

Any insights from personal experience with highly reactive skin would be appreciated! I must make a final decision by March 15.

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Hi @mscheib2 ! My experience is with an ileostomy. I don't personally know of anyone who *hasn't* managed to find an ostomy appliance that works for them. Anecdotally, I did know someone who reacted to everything except a product called Eakins Cohesive Seal. They were able to make it work by using a sheet of Eakins under another adhesive appliance. A company called Nu-Hope makes a non-adhesive appliances, which uses a silicon ring.

There are multiple manufactures of appliances and they all have different formulas, so it would probably be helpful to "test drive" adhesives from Coloplast and Convatec as well as the different adhesive offerings from Hollister. Most of the companies will send your supplies to try out, so if your WOCN doesn't have different supplies on hand this might help, although time is tight.

There is an ostomy support group that meets online on the first Tuesday of the month, so this coming Tuesday. We have a wonderful ostomy nurse who runs it and would be able to help answer questions for you. Here is the link to the event:
https://connect.mayoclinic.org/event/ostomy-monthly-support-group-meeting-1-6c76f480/

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There are several brands of hydrocolloid dressings out there. Perhaps one of them used under the flange could work.

It's just anecdotal, but I've read more about folks having skin problems with Hollister than with Convatec or Coloplast. And then there are other less well known brands also...depending on where you live.

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An additional thought: Based on my various skin issues over the years, it likely is as much a matter of breathability as a matter of allergies to specific substances. For example, back when I used to wear a watch, I had severe reactions to any metal, plastic, or rubber watch band. When I switched to leather, I still had some problems, but fewer, especially if I wore the watch very loosely, such that neither the watch nor the band was in contact with any part of the skin continuously. I did best when I switched to fabric watch bands, which I still had to wear very loosely--or else I got a reaction to the back of the watch and to the metal fastener.

Band-aids do not usually cause a problem, probably because they aren't usually on for extended periods. But I do better with fabric band-aids than other ones.

So, in addition to the question of allergies to specific ostomy supply related compounds, it may be just as important whether there are products that allow oxygen to circulate to the skin underneath.

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I hope you find a resolution.

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An additional thought: Based on my various skin issues over the years, it likely is as much a matter of breathability as a matter of allergies to specific substances. For example, back when I used to wear a watch, I had severe reactions to any metal, plastic, or rubber watch band. When I switched to leather, I still had some problems, but fewer, especially if I wore the watch very loosely, such that neither the watch nor the band was in contact with any part of the skin continuously. I did best when I switched to fabric watch bands, which I still had to wear very loosely--or else I got a reaction to the back of the watch and to the metal fastener.

Band-aids do not usually cause a problem, probably because they aren't usually on for extended periods. But I do better with fabric band-aids than other ones.

So, in addition to the question of allergies to specific ostomy supply related compounds, it may be just as important whether there are products that allow oxygen to circulate to the skin underneath.

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@mscheib2 I'm not aware of any product that is 100% breathable, although some of the tapes are. There typically has to be something that will resist breaking down next to the stoma, and this is often (not always a hydrocolloid).

Do you react to Tegaderm? This is the clear plastic film that they usually put over an IV. There is a product line made by Cymed that uses something like Tegaderm as the "tape" around the hydrocolloid wafer. It was developed by a urostomate.

Can you get in to talk with a WOCN (stoma nurse) again prior to March 15th to see if you can try different materials?

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I believe hydrocolloid is breathable.

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Thanks, everyone, for your insights. To make a long story short, late yesterday (Friday) afternoon, I got an appointment with the ostomy nurse at Cleveland Clinic (where my surgery will take place 3/20, and which is two hours from where I live) for 3/9 for patch testing specifically related to ostomy products. Though the timing is very tight, they will at least get a preliminary reading on the patch testing during pre-op on 3/13, which will help me make a final decision on 3/16 or 3/17 about which urinary diversion to have done.

Prior to getting that appointment, I requested sample materials from various producers, but they won't arrive till late next week, and they won't represent the full spectrum of possibilities. I saw a dermatologist who knew virtually nothing about ostomies and related skin issues but referred me to an allergist, hoping for an appointment early next week. But the allergist needs me to bring the full range of possible products in to create a custom patch test, and I can't acquire those on time for the appointment. The local hospital wound care department is unwilling to give me any sample materials until I have an intake appointment with them, which can't happen till the end of next week.

Given all that, I think the patch test with Cleveland Clinic on 3/9 is my best bet. Thanks again for your input!

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Thanks, everyone, for your insights. To make a long story short, late yesterday (Friday) afternoon, I got an appointment with the ostomy nurse at Cleveland Clinic (where my surgery will take place 3/20, and which is two hours from where I live) for 3/9 for patch testing specifically related to ostomy products. Though the timing is very tight, they will at least get a preliminary reading on the patch testing during pre-op on 3/13, which will help me make a final decision on 3/16 or 3/17 about which urinary diversion to have done.

Prior to getting that appointment, I requested sample materials from various producers, but they won't arrive till late next week, and they won't represent the full spectrum of possibilities. I saw a dermatologist who knew virtually nothing about ostomies and related skin issues but referred me to an allergist, hoping for an appointment early next week. But the allergist needs me to bring the full range of possible products in to create a custom patch test, and I can't acquire those on time for the appointment. The local hospital wound care department is unwilling to give me any sample materials until I have an intake appointment with them, which can't happen till the end of next week.

Given all that, I think the patch test with Cleveland Clinic on 3/9 is my best bet. Thanks again for your input!

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All best to you getting this settled. I wish I could say that this horse's behind situation is uncommon...but we all know it's basically par for the course.

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Thanks, everyone, for your insights. To make a long story short, late yesterday (Friday) afternoon, I got an appointment with the ostomy nurse at Cleveland Clinic (where my surgery will take place 3/20, and which is two hours from where I live) for 3/9 for patch testing specifically related to ostomy products. Though the timing is very tight, they will at least get a preliminary reading on the patch testing during pre-op on 3/13, which will help me make a final decision on 3/16 or 3/17 about which urinary diversion to have done.

Prior to getting that appointment, I requested sample materials from various producers, but they won't arrive till late next week, and they won't represent the full spectrum of possibilities. I saw a dermatologist who knew virtually nothing about ostomies and related skin issues but referred me to an allergist, hoping for an appointment early next week. But the allergist needs me to bring the full range of possible products in to create a custom patch test, and I can't acquire those on time for the appointment. The local hospital wound care department is unwilling to give me any sample materials until I have an intake appointment with them, which can't happen till the end of next week.

Given all that, I think the patch test with Cleveland Clinic on 3/9 is my best bet. Thanks again for your input!

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I'm glad you are getting seen by Cleveland Clinic for the patch test. I hope they find something that works for you!

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For urostomies there are 4 brands in the USA as far as I know. I would request an appointment with an experienced urostomy nurse to discuss this. At least at Mayo the nurse in JAX FL has all 4 in stock. Taking antihistamines helps my inflamed skin daily.

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