Rare Cancer: Gynecologic Extramammary Paget's Disease

Posted by moffitt @moffitt, Sep 15, 2022

Extra Mammary Paget’s Disease - invasive cancer.
No know treatment or clinical trials.
Very rare and rarely studied.
Anyone else have it?

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Profile picture for joyceinil @joyceinil

I would very much like to talk to you about minimizing the side effects. However, my treatment for EMPD has been put on hold for probably five weeks. On Aug 23 I suddenly lost the sight in my right eye. It was feared I had Giant Cell Arteritis in the back of my eye which could wipe out the other eye as well. To prevent this I was put in a very large wonderful hospital in St Louis, Mo and given massive doses of steroids. In 3 days they decided it was PROBABLY not that but they continued the treatment. Luckily, I still have the sight in my left eye. After I returned home, it seems like I brought covid home with me and just got out of the hospital after another 10 day stay. I can't seem to get a break. Now I have to get weaned off the steroids before I can start the imiquimod. I am 84 and this has taken a toll on my old body. I will contact you when I am finally ready for that treatment, Thank you so much

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@joyceinil Oh, dear, you have certainly been through it in hte last few months. How frightening to suddenly lose vision in one eye. It's good to know that your doctor was right there and you went to the wonderful hospital in St. Louis. While no one wants to be in the hospital it sounds like you had good care there although you were exposed to COVID? I do hope you are feeling better today, can wean off the steroids and start the treatment again for EMPD.

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Joyce: Hi: originally Imiquimod was used for something else but has been proven good for treating the manifestations of Paget on the vulva. So far, I am proof of it. I think it costs $0 if you have Medicare supplement, like i have with Kaiser. Side effects of using the cream can be minimized.. I will be glad to go into the details if you need me to. Healing thoughts to all!

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I would very much like to talk to you about minimizing the side effects. However, my treatment for EMPD has been put on hold for probably five weeks. On Aug 23 I suddenly lost the sight in my right eye. It was feared I had Giant Cell Arteritis in the back of my eye which could wipe out the other eye as well. To prevent this I was put in a very large wonderful hospital in St Louis, Mo and given massive doses of steroids. In 3 days they decided it was PROBABLY not that but they continued the treatment. Luckily, I still have the sight in my left eye. After I returned home, it seems like I brought covid home with me and just got out of the hospital after another 10 day stay. I can't seem to get a break. Now I have to get weaned off the steroids before I can start the imiquimod. I am 84 and this has taken a toll on my old body. I will contact you when I am finally ready for that treatment, Thank you so much

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Joyce: Hi: originally Imiquimod was used for something else but has been proven good for treating the manifestations of Paget on the vulva. So far, I am proof of it. I think it costs $0 if you have Medicare supplement, like i have with Kaiser. Side effects of using the cream can be minimized.. I will be glad to go into the details if you need me to. Healing thoughts to all!

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I have Paget's Disease of the Vulva. I had surgery September 6 and am still recovering. I had no idea what I was in for the doctor gave no inclination of the pain and recovery burning. The sample came back and the margins are not clear, so I don't know where I am going from here. I do not want to have any more surgeries I do not think I can take it. I retired less than a month prior to my diagnosis and am not mentally handling this well. I'm sure to caring for other people, not being down. I hope your doctor actually explains things better. I still don't know what is going on.

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Has your doctor talked to you about a chemo type ointment called imiquimod? I has been used with good results in the past 3 years or so and is preferable to surgery in many doctor's opinion. My SURGEON, has stopped most surgeries and is using imiquimod as a first defense. If you seem to need more surgery, I certainly would seek out a doctor who would be willing to try that method. The medication is not expensive. Only $30 if you used GoodRX. It is not a new drug.

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Profile picture for sonyac518 @sonyac518

I have Paget's Disease of the Vulva. I had surgery September 6 and am still recovering. I had no idea what I was in for the doctor gave no inclination of the pain and recovery burning. The sample came back and the margins are not clear, so I don't know where I am going from here. I do not want to have any more surgeries I do not think I can take it. I retired less than a month prior to my diagnosis and am not mentally handling this well. I'm sure to caring for other people, not being down. I hope your doctor actually explains things better. I still don't know what is going on.

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@sonyac518 I did not have Paget's disease of the Vulva so I cannot offer you any ideas of how best to handle the ongoing pain and burning. I do know what burning in the genital area feels like from many infections over the years and that is horrible so I can only imagine.

This is an active and ongoing discussion. A few other members who have experienced the same diagnosis and surgery as you will pop in here to give you their thoughts and suggestions.

When is your next appointment scheduled with your surgeon? Do you have a phone number you can call and talk with the doctor or the nurse before your next appointment? Do you know if you will have any other treatments?

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and is anyone else annoyed that our cancer does not have a cancer ribbon color, it's never on any of the cancer sites - it's bad enough to have cancer but it's worst to have such a rare one that doesn't have an awareness month or anything - or is it just me? lol

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I have Paget's Disease of the Vulva. I had surgery September 6 and am still recovering. I had no idea what I was in for the doctor gave no inclination of the pain and recovery burning. The sample came back and the margins are not clear, so I don't know where I am going from here. I do not want to have any more surgeries I do not think I can take it. I retired less than a month prior to my diagnosis and am not mentally handling this well. I'm sure to caring for other people, not being down. I hope your doctor actually explains things better. I still don't know what is going on.

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Hi everyone - I was recently diagnosed with extramammary paget's disease of the vulva and I'm only 34 years old. Apparently this typically affects older people in their 60s+ but here I am and I have it. I wonder if there are any patients diagnosed and seen prolonged success with nonsurgical interventions like topical imiquimod, photodynamic therapy, lasers etc or how long those treatments were able to stave off eventual surgery. If there any other younger patients like me - also love to get your perspective on your experience and learn.

I still feel like I have at 30 years of good quality of life with my partner and still want to have kids before I have to consider a vulvectomy or any invasive radiation / excision that compromises my genital /reproductive areas and I'm pretty scared about it. Really want to try nonsurgical treatments if possible. Reading the scientific publications and speaking to my dermatologist - it seems the recurrent rates are still pretty high with these nonsurgical treatments Complete response could be somewhere between 30-50% for topical imiquimod cream but it seems it comes back in 30%+ of cases within a year or so. I'm still waiting to see if this is primary EMPD - so that it's localized to just the epidermis on my vulva and not that I have cancer somewhere else like breast, bladder, etc - which hopefully with my age is not the case.

Presentation/Diagnosis
I probably saw some epidermis/skin level change of the vulva changing close to 2 years ago but didn't think much of it since I was asymptomatic until I got an IUD inserted last year and my NP thought I had a yeast infection. It seemed to go away for my first treatment of fluconazole but then it kept coming back and I kept testing negative for candidiasis / yeast infection and the fluconazole they were giving me didn't seem to work anymore. It was also super itchy especially after having sex. It took my not being able to sleep one night that I was fed up and asked to be referred to an ob/gyn doctor where they finally took a biopsy for confirmation of extramammary paget's disease. They also originally those it was lichen simplus chronicus but my ob gyn took a biopsy just in case - thank goodness since it wasn't. So basically - almost a year from when my symptoms started and probably close to 2 years where i didn't have any itching symptoms but likely started seeing skin changes near my vulva. I did also test positive for HPV two years prior - but never for the high grade lesions - only low grade and this most recent pap smear I tested negative for HPV - just wondering if that had anything to do with getting EMPD. Anyone have a similar experience or had HPV history?

Referral Diagnosis
I went to a dermatologist who specializes in EMPD and she did 6 clock biopsies around my vulva including in areas that looks normal and unfortunately the 3 biopsies closest to my clitoris - were positive for CK7+ which is typically indicative of EMPD. In all three of those biopsies it was just on the edge of where I had the itchy patch so basically where my skin looked totally normal - it still tested positive for EMPD. My doctor is referring me to a ob gyn oncologist for further consult but vulvectomy including clitoris removal seems likely given how close the biopsies that tested positive were to my clitoris. We're going to start on the topical imiquimod for now but I don't feel optimistic it's going to work - primarily because it seems even if my skin looks normal - it tests positive for EMPD so I feel like I still have no idea how much to spread the topical treatment around my vulva since vulva that look normal but may still have paget's disease.

Any thoughts on that for folks who have tried it? Was planning to start it later this week. My doctor is recommending 2x a week for 3 weeks and then I have a follow-up. It seems like the side effects of itching / burning are not pleasant.
Also anyone else try photodynamic / red light therapy? or lasers? also saw those are options but not a lot of literature review / scientific articles with data on its efficacy.

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Sorry you are having to go through all of this and at such a young age! I wonder if you are symptomatic? The EMPD I have similarly is not showing up in visual exams. Only by biopsy. And because my docs have found (through multiple biopsies) that it exists on the top layer of skin only, they have offered to wait and observe before using any remedies, such as surgery or imiquimod. Both options are pretty difficult. Like you, they spoke of removing clitoris and other major structural changes. So waiting and observing is by far the best news I have heard. Since my EMPD is found to be “non invasive” at this time, anyway.

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Oh my gosh I just had my scouting biopsies done (6 of them) 2 weeks ago and know what you mean by the anesthesia shots - they really hurt! Actually the first time I got a biospy - it was from a ob/gyn not a Mohs surgeon and she didn't give me any anesthesia shots - only a numbing cream when she took my vulva biopsy. It hurt so bad. It wasn't until I talked to a dermatologist friend and the Mohs surgeon where they told me that my ob/gyn should not have done that.

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I’m so sorry you had to go through that. For the second round of biopsies (I had two rounds) my Derm oncol Mohs surgeon did a combination of ice packs and topical anesthesia before giving me the anesthesia by injection and that helped a lot! You can ask for this combo to see if it helps.

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Profile picture for scintillation @scintillation

Hi everyone - I was recently diagnosed with extramammary paget's disease of the vulva and I'm only 34 years old. Apparently this typically affects older people in their 60s+ but here I am and I have it. I wonder if there are any patients diagnosed and seen prolonged success with nonsurgical interventions like topical imiquimod, photodynamic therapy, lasers etc or how long those treatments were able to stave off eventual surgery. If there any other younger patients like me - also love to get your perspective on your experience and learn.

I still feel like I have at 30 years of good quality of life with my partner and still want to have kids before I have to consider a vulvectomy or any invasive radiation / excision that compromises my genital /reproductive areas and I'm pretty scared about it. Really want to try nonsurgical treatments if possible. Reading the scientific publications and speaking to my dermatologist - it seems the recurrent rates are still pretty high with these nonsurgical treatments Complete response could be somewhere between 30-50% for topical imiquimod cream but it seems it comes back in 30%+ of cases within a year or so. I'm still waiting to see if this is primary EMPD - so that it's localized to just the epidermis on my vulva and not that I have cancer somewhere else like breast, bladder, etc - which hopefully with my age is not the case.

Presentation/Diagnosis
I probably saw some epidermis/skin level change of the vulva changing close to 2 years ago but didn't think much of it since I was asymptomatic until I got an IUD inserted last year and my NP thought I had a yeast infection. It seemed to go away for my first treatment of fluconazole but then it kept coming back and I kept testing negative for candidiasis / yeast infection and the fluconazole they were giving me didn't seem to work anymore. It was also super itchy especially after having sex. It took my not being able to sleep one night that I was fed up and asked to be referred to an ob/gyn doctor where they finally took a biopsy for confirmation of extramammary paget's disease. They also originally those it was lichen simplus chronicus but my ob gyn took a biopsy just in case - thank goodness since it wasn't. So basically - almost a year from when my symptoms started and probably close to 2 years where i didn't have any itching symptoms but likely started seeing skin changes near my vulva. I did also test positive for HPV two years prior - but never for the high grade lesions - only low grade and this most recent pap smear I tested negative for HPV - just wondering if that had anything to do with getting EMPD. Anyone have a similar experience or had HPV history?

Referral Diagnosis
I went to a dermatologist who specializes in EMPD and she did 6 clock biopsies around my vulva including in areas that looks normal and unfortunately the 3 biopsies closest to my clitoris - were positive for CK7+ which is typically indicative of EMPD. In all three of those biopsies it was just on the edge of where I had the itchy patch so basically where my skin looked totally normal - it still tested positive for EMPD. My doctor is referring me to a ob gyn oncologist for further consult but vulvectomy including clitoris removal seems likely given how close the biopsies that tested positive were to my clitoris. We're going to start on the topical imiquimod for now but I don't feel optimistic it's going to work - primarily because it seems even if my skin looks normal - it tests positive for EMPD so I feel like I still have no idea how much to spread the topical treatment around my vulva since vulva that look normal but may still have paget's disease.

Any thoughts on that for folks who have tried it? Was planning to start it later this week. My doctor is recommending 2x a week for 3 weeks and then I have a follow-up. It seems like the side effects of itching / burning are not pleasant.
Also anyone else try photodynamic / red light therapy? or lasers? also saw those are options but not a lot of literature review / scientific articles with data on its efficacy.

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Hi: just read what you wrote 5 days ago. I do have what you have and Imiquimod is how i have been treated since my first outbreak 3 years. I did have another outbreak almost a year ago. we tried to do things differently than 3 years to calm the side effects of Imiquimod when it comes to itching and burning. 3 years i had to put on the cream like every day and i could not cope with side effects so my oncologist said three times a week i think for another 3 weeks. then my visual yearly visit with a ob/gyn revealed not outbreak but last august i had an outbreak. I had 3 biopsies i think, and three years ago 4 i think. my oncologist put me right back on imiquimod but did 2 or 3 times a week for 8 weeks and i took some medication for the itching and i think a salve .. sorry not to remember too much. the two outbreaks made me tired and napping a lot. i am 68 and i have a lot of energy but not during treatment. about 25 years ago or so i had 3/4 of my cervix infected with HPV. I had the skin burnt. The dr. may not been deep enough. Tv ad says that HPV can cause vulvar cancer. My oncologist says that it is not proven. She seems to say that once you have EMPD on the vulva it does not go to the breast. She does check the thyroid on the hips to feel for growth. Three years ago, she was going to excise the clitoris but informed me that Imiquimod originally not for EMPD was able to control the outbreak. I am going to my OB/GYN on August 1 for another visual. Keep in touch. You are young and hopefully you may have your little family!

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