Did you choose active surveillance? Why was it a good choice?

Posted by arizobound @arizobound, Dec 27, 2024

Biopsy showed 3 + 4 MRI showed pirad 2 bone scan CAT scan no metastasism nothing found. psma pet scan radiologists said nothing found. but oncologist says he saw a very small spot. Only concern was half of the cores showed 3 + 4 out of 12 but he said it does not show the percentage of four?? Not sure I understand this part. Told me I could do active surveillance or cyber knife or brachytherapy. I think I am going to go with active surveillance my Medicare plan I can change next year to an advantage will cover more of the cost I have original Medicare now. Can I get some opinions on active surveillance being a good choice? Thank you in advance

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Profile picture for arizobound @arizobound

I'm surprised the doctor told you you could do active surveillance I had a lot of grief asking for active surveillance and mine is localized and it is not showing up on any psma scan.

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They based active survalence on my node staying very small and very slight rise in psa up and down.we did discuss radiation after the next scan next months. If need be most likely will..I went 2 years undetectable after radiation. After prostatectomy 1 yr radiation after 2 yrs .came back psma showed one small spot tiny in the node..i think the time I had radiation my scan showed nothing also.but they usually target the bed area..my now is at the pelvic area locally. They said I was in no danger doing active survalence at the time..live day by day keeping our head up staying positive..good luck

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Profile picture for arizobound @arizobound

I'm on the active surveillance decided to do that recently and I have more cores positive than you 3+4. Nothing found on MRI or psma scan phone scan or CAT scan. Personally no way would I have surgery with Gleason score of 6. But if you have incontinence and Ed already I guess it doesn't really matter I'm trying to avoid it myself since I do not have either problem at the moment. good luck on whatever decision you make

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yes. maybe a hasty decision. My father passed from AS. He was also 87 with other issues. I just felt my mental state would not handle letting it get worse and then get to old to fix it. I am 72. I went with fact the Dr claimed surgical statistics were 85% of no issues. Well some has to make up the 15%. Lucky me. No regrets though. I have put cancer behind me , I hope.

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Profile picture for mariopetrozza @mariopetrozza

Hi im interested the same situation. 6 months ago psa went to .20 so did a psma scan and it's in one lymph node. Every 3 months blood work and another psma scan.psa went down slightly once now back up slightly to .36 doc recommend active servalance. Going for my 3rd scan Feb 21.not sure how to feel about this situation. It's in my pelvic area.anyone with this experience I'd appreciate feed back ty.

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I'm surprised the doctor told you you could do active surveillance I had a lot of grief asking for active surveillance and mine is localized and it is not showing up on any psma scan.

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Profile picture for tuckerp @tuckerp

good. Thank you. mine was a gleason 6. 1 out 12 samples with cancer. clear margins. PSA was 1.1 or normal. Post op confirmed gleason 6 with clear margins. I did 3 month PSA's for 3 years and last 2 years every 6 months. All less than < .01. I had a PMSA scan done at 2 years. Nothing active. I admit I am not familiar with all the treatments and options available. Or all the abbreviations. I have both incontinence and ED. That has been my goal while on this site to understand where to go next. But those are a new thread. 🙂

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I'm on the active surveillance decided to do that recently and I have more cores positive than you 3+4. Nothing found on MRI or psma scan phone scan or CAT scan. Personally no way would I have surgery with Gleason score of 6. But if you have incontinence and Ed already I guess it doesn't really matter I'm trying to avoid it myself since I do not have either problem at the moment. good luck on whatever decision you make

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Profile picture for mariopetrozza @mariopetrozza

Hi im interested the same situation. 6 months ago psa went to .20 so did a psma scan and it's in one lymph node. Every 3 months blood work and another psma scan.psa went down slightly once now back up slightly to .36 doc recommend active servalance. Going for my 3rd scan Feb 21.not sure how to feel about this situation. It's in my pelvic area.anyone with this experience I'd appreciate feed back ty.

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I guess your PSA says you’ve got something growing. I think you’d be a candidate for salvage radiation or at least SBRT to the node with something showing in a scan, right?
My feeling on this - and please understand that I am a very pro-active/prevention minded person - is that if something is actually large enough to show in a scan, how much more “might” be there that’s not showing?
Not trying to cause you alarm….but you did ask….

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Profile picture for mariopetrozza @mariopetrozza

Hi im interested the same situation. 6 months ago psa went to .20 so did a psma scan and it's in one lymph node. Every 3 months blood work and another psma scan.psa went down slightly once now back up slightly to .36 doc recommend active servalance. Going for my 3rd scan Feb 21.not sure how to feel about this situation. It's in my pelvic area.anyone with this experience I'd appreciate feed back ty.

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My experience is similar. Gleason 3+4 in 1 of 12 lymph nodes. PSA level tested every three months for past three years. My PSA has been < 0.1. I’m grateful.

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Be careful with Medicare advantage plans. Many men on here complain about pre-approval issues and denials of procedures...not to mention limitations of where you can be treated. We have original medicare and a supplement and they cover everything once deductable is met.

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Profile picture for handera @handera

Began AS in October 2023, after being diagnosed with low volume 3+4 and Decipher score of 0.22.

After an initial mpMRI showed PIRADS 3, 4 & 5 lesions, only one reduced T2 & DWI/ADC signal lesion (the original PIRADS 5) could be observed in my 12 month follow-up mpMRI.

So....yes...a 3+4 diagnosis (with low decipher score) can regress. I personally believe it may be due to my 90 minute/week vigorous aerobic exercise regiment, which I started upon PCa diagnosis...but who knows for sure...clinical studies & RCT's would suggest that could be the case.
https://jamanetwork.com/journals/jamaoncology/fullarticle/2783273
https://www.health.harvard.edu/mens-health/exercise-may-slow-prostate-cancer-growth
Recently, CoE institutions (UCSF & UCLA & John Hopkins) have all completed independent studies suggesting a healthy diet may also help slow PCa progression...but who knows for sure...

One thing I do know for sure is that my VO2 Max has increased from 40 to 47 and I have lost 25 lbs, since I was diagnosed.

- https://www.ucsf.edu/news/2024/05/427571/prostate-cancer-study-more-health-benefits-plant-based-diet

- https://www.uclahealth.org/news/release/low-omega-6-omega-3-rich-diet-and-fish-oil-may-slow-prostate

- https://www.hopkinsmedicine.org/news/newsroom/news-releases/2024/10/study-suggests-a-healthy-diet-may-help-keep-low-grade-prostate-cancer-from-progressing-to-more-dangerous-states-during-active-surveillance

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For those interested in finding out why VO2 Max is the most important longevity indicator and how one goes about increasing their own VO2 Max....two short videos:


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Profile picture for Jerry @jerryegge

After my surgery, I learned that I had cancer in a lymph node. I chose active surveillance to avoid radiation and hormone shots.
I change my diet and adopted the Mediterranean Diet. Plus, I’ve had my PSA checked every three months. I’ve done this for three years now. I’m grateful my cancer has remained in remission. Good luck with active surveillance; there is hope!

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Hi im interested the same situation. 6 months ago psa went to .20 so did a psma scan and it's in one lymph node. Every 3 months blood work and another psma scan.psa went down slightly once now back up slightly to .36 doc recommend active servalance. Going for my 3rd scan Feb 21.not sure how to feel about this situation. It's in my pelvic area.anyone with this experience I'd appreciate feed back ty.

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Profile picture for tuckerp @tuckerp

good. Thank you. mine was a gleason 6. 1 out 12 samples with cancer. clear margins. PSA was 1.1 or normal. Post op confirmed gleason 6 with clear margins. I did 3 month PSA's for 3 years and last 2 years every 6 months. All less than < .01. I had a PMSA scan done at 2 years. Nothing active. I admit I am not familiar with all the treatments and options available. Or all the abbreviations. I have both incontinence and ED. That has been my goal while on this site to understand where to go next. But those are a new thread. 🙂

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@tuckerp
Looks like you are doing everything to keep track. I think but not sure as not medical professional is that they don't give Gleason score below 6.

The only thing I could even further suggest is a second opinion to help you understand what to do next. Has your urologist explained and looked into your incontinence cause?

Trust me you are not alone. There are so many different treatment options out there. I have posted several times that I have been on MCC now for 2 years and have seen even in that time new and different treatments being offered and available.

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