Prognosis for Stage 4 Metastatic Prostate Cancer

Posted by phil89 @phil89, Jan 16 1:08pm

Good afternoon, and thank you to any one in advance who is reading this and is able to offer any insight/similarities with their journey.

My dad (68 yrs) started experiencing crippling pain in his back this past May, that led to him being almost completely immobile. He was ultimately diagnosed with Stage 4 metastatic/advanced prostate cancer, with metastases to his pelvic and abdominal lymph nodes, as well as to his bones. His Gleason score was 9 at the time of his biopsy, and his PSA level was 800 ng/ml.

For treatment, he has received a total of three shots of Luteinizing hormone–releasing hormone (LHRH) which he will receive indefinitely, is presently taking Darolutamide (Nubeqa), and underwent 6 cycles of chemotherapy (Docetaxel) which he completed in December. They did a round of scans halfway through his chemo and told us that although the cancer seemed to be responding to the treatment (thank goodness!), it was incurable and will eventually find its way around the Darolutamide, hormone therapy and chemo. After chemo my dad's paralyzing pain was reduced to what he described as mild discomfort, which was a huge relief. His PSA settled at 5 ng/ml in the end.

About a week ago, my dad sat me down and said that he did not want to worry me, but admitted that pain seems to be coming back in a way that is progressive and more continuous. He is really worried he is going backwards, but this has not yet been confirmed and for now we are just trying to manage the pain. He has another round of scans (CT, bone scan and blood work) scheduled for next week, and now I am feeling concerned with what they may find.

I am not really sure what to ask, or how to ask, but I am just wondering if there is anyone who can give me some insight on whether they have had a similar experience with pain returning after chemotherapy, and how they managed it.

Finally, my dad's oncologist has been hesitant to offer my dad an honest prognosis, and just keeps saying "it depends". My dad is 68, and does have a history of congestive heart failure (2017), but is healthy otherwise (no diabetes, not overweight, gave up smoking 20 years ago). I know it may potentially be difficult news, but would anyone looking at the information I provided be able to let me know honestly what they think his chances are at living another 5 years or more?

Thank you again, Phil

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@dailyeffort

Hi Phil,

So sorry to hear about your family's battle with PCa. Has he had germline and somatic genetic testing done to see if some of the newer immunotherapies might be helpful? A number of the PCa groups have good articles explaining the two types of genetic testing and which patients they can benefit.

Bill

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Hi @dailyeffort, Bill, did you have genetic testing done? Which was right for you?

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@amee

Do you know what's the difference between Lu 177 PSMA and Radium 233. And which is more effective.

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Radium is only for bone mets Lu177 is all up Both similar

radium no hair loss easier to take

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@lag

My husband was 58 when first diagnosed, has been Stage 4 since 2011, and is now 77.
He had docetaxel several years ago, which was quite effective, after a bunch of metastases appeared on his spine. When the cancer recurred last year on his spine and other bony spots, he had occasional radiation, mostly SBRT, to the metastases as they appeared. Now the new metastases are appearing much more frequently and in greater numbers, so systemic treatment with Pluvicto was prescribed by Dr. Kwon. He will have his third Pluvicto infusion on April 10. When we asked his medical oncologist what treatments were available after the Pluvicto, he named cabazitaxel, Xtandi, and docetaxel. We haven't asked Dr. Kwon that question yet, but will do that when we see him next. I hope that is what you wanted to know.

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Xtandi stpped working after a year Heence on Radium 223 3rd injection tomorrow

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@melcanada

Why not dovetail for chemo

How old are you

What is next steps after Radium 233 oe lu 177

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My husband was 58 when first diagnosed, has been Stage 4 since 2011, and is now 77.
He had docetaxel several years ago, which was quite effective, after a bunch of metastases appeared on his spine. When the cancer recurred last year on his spine and other bony spots, he had occasional radiation, mostly SBRT, to the metastases as they appeared. Now the new metastases are appearing much more frequently and in greater numbers, so systemic treatment with Pluvicto was prescribed by Dr. Kwon. He will have his third Pluvicto infusion on April 10. When we asked his medical oncologist what treatments were available after the Pluvicto, he named cabazitaxel, Xtandi, and docetaxel. We haven't asked Dr. Kwon that question yet, but will do that when we see him next. I hope that is what you wanted to know.

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@melcanada

This Radiun 223 or Xofigo kills cancer in bones See if you qualify for injection

It a 3 minute inject No hair loss or other bad effects Just tired a tad On third of 6 every 4 weeks Then bone scan in July

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Do you know what's the difference between Lu 177 PSMA and Radium 233. And which is more effective.

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Hi Phil,

So sorry to hear about your family's battle with PCa. Has he had germline and somatic genetic testing done to see if some of the newer immunotherapies might be helpful? A number of the PCa groups have good articles explaining the two types of genetic testing and which patients they can benefit.

Bill

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@lag

Mel, I am not sure what you are asking me to comment on.
Laura

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Why not dovetail for chemo

How old are you

What is next steps after Radium 233 oe lu 177

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@melcanada

Thanks See my latest reply far down below and comment pls

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Mel, I am not sure what you are asking me to comment on.
Laura

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@leeaniel

Thanks for explaining, I'm 85 and I have mets in my bones and a slight spot in my lungs. I'm 85, dr says I'm too old for chemo I've been on Abilaterone for almost 2 months while continuing the Lupron and Zoledronic acid.

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This Radiun 223 or Xofigo kills cancer in bones See if you qualify for injection

It a 3 minute inject No hair loss or other bad effects Just tired a tad On third of 6 every 4 weeks Then bone scan in July

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@melcanada

Metastasis in my spine L 1 L2 lumbar and T 6 7 8

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Thanks for explaining, I'm 85 and I have mets in my bones and a slight spot in my lungs. I'm 85, dr says I'm too old for chemo I've been on Abilaterone for almost 2 months while continuing the Lupron and Zoledronic acid.

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