Post prostatectomy: What do rising PSA levels mean?

Posted by hoard @hoard, Sep 10, 2019

New to group! Wish I had checked this out 2 years ago while supporting my husband! Now over e years post prostatectomy, wondering what might make psa go from all 0 to 2.6...

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Hello, I had a radical prostatectomy July, 2013. I've had yearly psa test done and results have been <.1, however I just one completed today and for the first time received a result of .2, I'm 61 years old. I thought I had gotten past this since 7 years has passed, then upon researching after this result, I see 10 years is the benchmark. Kinda worried, sent my results to Alan Partin, my surgeon, but he's gone for the weekend. I read somewhere .2 is the benchmark for recurrence. Bummer.

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That's a starting point...17 years post RP is a good run.

So much has changed since then, heck, so much has changed since I was diagnosed in 2014...!

While you're waiting to see a urologist, may be time to catch up. Some start8ing points:

The NCCN Guidelines:

Early stage - https://www.nccn.org/patientresources/patient-resources/guidelines-for-patients/guidelines-for-patients-details?patientGuidelineId=49

Advanced Stage - https://www.nccn.org/patientresources/patient-resources/guidelines-for-patients/guidelines-for-patients-details?patientGuidelineId=50

The Prostate Cancer Foundation - https://www.pcf.org/guide/prostate-cancer-patient-guide/

Inform yourself on current FDA approved imaging, may be useful in your decision making process to locate any recurence.

There are four you may want to consider reading about, much has improved since the days of CT and MRI that I had in 2014.

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Aximun - https://www.petimagingflorida.com/pet-imaging-is-proud-to-offer-axumin-pet-scans/
PSMA 68 Gallium - https://www.pcf.org/blog/breaking-news-fda-approves-a-highly-sensitive-prostate-cancer-imaging-agent/
PSMA PET imaging agent 18F-DCFPyL - https://www.urologytimes.com/view/fda-approves-psma-pet-imaging-agent-18f-dcfpyl-for-prostate-cancer.

The PSMA ones are generally more sensitive at lower PSA, with a PSA of .5 -1 you could image and perhaps locate any recurrence.

You'll want to gather more clinical data - more PSA tests to gauges doubling and velocity times.

Informed by clinical data through imaging and PSA tests, combined with age, health and life expectancy, you can then make an informed decision about whether to treat, when and with what.

The imaging may provide information on where the recurrence is - prostate bed, lymph nodes, bones, organs...
The PSA tests may provide information on PSAT and PSAV, indicating aggressiveness.

If your decision is to treat, you'll have a wide set of choices that can range from mono therapy to combined regimens and can be short term, six months to several years or more.

Kevin

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@amandaa

Hi @kenw and welcome to Mayo Clinic Connect. I am sorry for your rising PSA levels.
Can you share more about your story with us? What did your MD say about your elevation?

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Dr. Said that 0.56 psa was a cause for concern and recommended I see a urologist.
Kenw

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@kenw

My prostectomy was 17 years ago. My psa level was undetectable until my recent test. It is now elevated.
Kenw

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Hi @kenw and welcome to Mayo Clinic Connect. I am sorry for your rising PSA levels.
Can you share more about your story with us? What did your MD say about your elevation?

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@colleenyoung

Hi @aakrogstad and welcome. A rise in PSA, however slight so easily creates concern. I can imagine you're scared. I'm tagging @dandl48 @hoard @horace1818 and @ken82 to offer their thoughts.

A single elevated PSA measurement in a patient who has a history of prostate cancer does not always mean that the cancer has come back. Your doctor may look for a trend of rising PSA level over time rather than a single elevated PSA level.

The waiting part is the hardest. Do you have ways to distract your thoughts or calm them?

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My prostectomy was 17 years ago. My psa level was undetectable until my recent test. It is now elevated.
Kenw

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@jic811

Thanks. Appt with oncologist at Vanderbilt tomorrow.

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That’s great. I’ll be interested to hear what you learn tomorrow.

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@colleenyoung

Hi @jic811, welcome. Has your local oncologist suggested that further diagnostic testing is necessary at this point?

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Thanks. Appt with oncologist at Vanderbilt tomorrow.

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@jic811

Had robotic removal Mayo Jacksonville Nov 09. Gleason 3+4.
At 3 years psa .04. Gradually up and held about .25 from 5 to 9 years. Last year .45 and know.73. Now age 78. I am in west Tn so long way to Mayo.

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Hi @jic811, welcome. Has your local oncologist suggested that further diagnostic testing is necessary at this point?

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Had robotic removal Mayo Jacksonville Nov 09. Gleason 3+4.
At 3 years psa .04. Gradually up and held about .25 from 5 to 9 years. Last year .45 and know.73. Now age 78. I am in west Tn so long way to Mayo.

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@kujhawk1978

No reason to hit the panic button. You may want to consider having several more USPSA tests 90 days apart to determine if the change is a continuous upward trend or fluctuations. If those tests continue to rise then you may have other decisions to consider with your medical team. You will want to gather clinical data...

The first may be whether to image, when, at what PSA and with what? The PSMA scans recently approved by the FDA can detect at <.5 but as your PSA goes up, so does their detection rate.

If your PSA continues to rise then you can calculate PSDAT and PSAV.

You may want to discus Genomic testing with your medical team.

Informed by clinical data, you and your medical team can make a decision about treatment, whether to and if, when to initiate, with what, for how long, how to monitor response...

In my case, I was diagnosed in Jan 14, had RP in March 14, BCR in Dec 15, SRT in Mar 16 then in Jan 17 did 18 months of ADT, six cycles of taxotere and 25 IMPRT to the PLNs, finished treatment in May 18.

My PSA has fluctuated over the last three years. My medical team and I continue to monitor every 2-4 months and have decision points:

Need three or more tests 90 days apart with continuous rise and calculate PSADT and PSAV.

Image between .5-1.0

Then decide on treatment.

Here's my recent PSA tests:

2018

12 February 2018 Testosterone <7, PSA <.1 (Mayo)
27 April 2018 Testosterone <3, PSA <.1 (SMC)
1 August 2018 Testosterone <3 PSA <.1 (SMC)
30 October 2018 Testosterone 135 PSA <.1 (SMC)

2019

2 February 2019 Testosterone 481, UPSA .36 AHC
16 February 2019 USPSA (AHC) .3
2 April 2019 USPSA KCUC .06
7 June 2019 (USPSA KCUC).124
19 August (USPSA KCUC) .06

2020

3 January 2020 USPSA (KCUC) .07
5 May 2020 USPSA (KCUC) .07
4 August 2020 USPSA (KCUC) .09
5 November 2020 USPSA (KCUC) .16

2021

5 February 20221 USPSA (KCUC) .29
30 April 2021 USPSA (KCUC) .3
12 July 2021 USPA (KCUC) .17

Kevin

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The same thing happened to me after 9 years -- went from undetectable to 0.1. Tested that way repeatedly over the course of 6 months, and then went back to undetectable. So I agree; don't hit the panic button. Just get retested for a while.

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