Osteoporosis treatment or strontium citrate?

Posted by bonelady @bonelady, May 10, 2018

Is reclast a safe treatment for osteoporosis I have not done anything so far except strontium citrate?

***Director's Note:***
There’s not enough research to know if strontium fights osteoporosis. Also, the FDA doesn’t regulate supplements in the same way as prescription drugs, so it's not possible to know if if they are safe or work well or even how much of the main ingredient they contain.

If you want to take a strontium supplement, it is recommended to ask your doctor first.

Interested in more discussions like this? Go to the Osteoporosis & Bone Health Support Group.

@imatine

I am 42 years old and based on a recent dexa scan I got severly low density in my spine and moderate one in my hips. I am a cancer survivor. Had a nasopharyngeal carcinoma, treated through radiotherapy. I went to a rheumatologist who prescribed Prolia and reading about all the side effects, I am traumatised especially that my Jaws received high dose of radio and because I suffer from severe dryness in my mouth. What kind of treatment suits my case and whose specialty is this? An endocrinologist, rehumatilogis ? I can't make a decision on how to go about it. Thanks for any advice here in the community and at Mayo

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My jaws are my weakest spot. I cannot speak about Prolia, but I think you might agree with some that I say. It's not easy to take a drug with so many side effects after you've been really ill. You start to question ingredients. I tried Fosamax and had jaw problems from the beginning and had to stop taking it. I did nothing for a while, and of course, my osteoporosis got worse. My overalll DEXA score was -5.7. I was starting to fracture. I started eating to get calcium, magnesium, and I supplemented to get Vitamins D3 and K2 (mk4 mk7). I added collagen peptides. I tried taking strontium, but did not get help. And then I started taking boron. I took a tiny dose of boron for about a year. ALL of my pain from osteoarthritis, rheumatoid arthritis and fibbromyalgia went away. Then I upped the dose to 18 - 21 mg per day and the pain I used to get from my "dowager's hump" disappeared. Boron is the key to stopping osteoporosis. RBG was famous for having osteoporosis and she went everywhere with her prunes as prunes are high in boron. Though I have heard you cannot get enough boron from prunes and live to tell the tale. I'm going to wait to see if this dose is effective. If I need to go higher, I want to understand the relationship of estrogen increase because of taking more boron. I had an appointment to get Prolia about two years ago. I wanted to discuss the side effects with the doctor. She said I was wasting her time and she left the room. I told her about the jaw problems with Fosamax and she admitted I would have the same problems. I did some research including talking to women who had suffered side effects from Prolia. I just couldn't take it. After I decided not to take it, I learned that "allegedly" Prolia traps old bone and won't let it leave the area, so it piles up and makes your bones look thicker. This gets labeled as bone growth. But if you doctor is being straight with you, s/he will admit that if you stop using Prolia, all that "bone growth"will be gone as soon as you stop using Prolia. You will finally be able to pee away the dead bone. I'm sure that is oversimplified, but that is the way I learned about it. You have to do what you think is best. I gav\e up eating sugar almost six years ago, and that is also worth doing if you have osteoporosis. Going off sugar was the smartest thing I ever did for my body. As soon as my doctor clears me to get another DEXA Scan, I will let you know if I improved. (I don't have an immune system and she doesn't want me to take a risk.). I am no longer fracturing - so there is that (knock on wood). Some of the ideas I got were from membership in another group, and then I did research on my own to see if there was any truth to what they were saying. A functional doctor is what you are looking for, but they are not covered by most insurances and they can be expensive. There is a functional doctor near me that does take my insurance - but she requires $1,500 up front unit your insurance kicks in and I cannot afford that. You probably will not find a medical doctor (except for a functional doctor) who will discuss strontium or boron. They may not even know what they are! I encourage you to do as much research as you can. That's what I've been doing and I know I'm on the right track for my body now.
I wish us all the best luck. This disease is a stinker!

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@parrotqueen

My jaws are my weakest spot. I cannot speak about Prolia, but I think you might agree with some that I say. It's not easy to take a drug with so many side effects after you've been really ill. You start to question ingredients. I tried Fosamax and had jaw problems from the beginning and had to stop taking it. I did nothing for a while, and of course, my osteoporosis got worse. My overalll DEXA score was -5.7. I was starting to fracture. I started eating to get calcium, magnesium, and I supplemented to get Vitamins D3 and K2 (mk4 mk7). I added collagen peptides. I tried taking strontium, but did not get help. And then I started taking boron. I took a tiny dose of boron for about a year. ALL of my pain from osteoarthritis, rheumatoid arthritis and fibbromyalgia went away. Then I upped the dose to 18 - 21 mg per day and the pain I used to get from my "dowager's hump" disappeared. Boron is the key to stopping osteoporosis. RBG was famous for having osteoporosis and she went everywhere with her prunes as prunes are high in boron. Though I have heard you cannot get enough boron from prunes and live to tell the tale. I'm going to wait to see if this dose is effective. If I need to go higher, I want to understand the relationship of estrogen increase because of taking more boron. I had an appointment to get Prolia about two years ago. I wanted to discuss the side effects with the doctor. She said I was wasting her time and she left the room. I told her about the jaw problems with Fosamax and she admitted I would have the same problems. I did some research including talking to women who had suffered side effects from Prolia. I just couldn't take it. After I decided not to take it, I learned that "allegedly" Prolia traps old bone and won't let it leave the area, so it piles up and makes your bones look thicker. This gets labeled as bone growth. But if you doctor is being straight with you, s/he will admit that if you stop using Prolia, all that "bone growth"will be gone as soon as you stop using Prolia. You will finally be able to pee away the dead bone. I'm sure that is oversimplified, but that is the way I learned about it. You have to do what you think is best. I gav\e up eating sugar almost six years ago, and that is also worth doing if you have osteoporosis. Going off sugar was the smartest thing I ever did for my body. As soon as my doctor clears me to get another DEXA Scan, I will let you know if I improved. (I don't have an immune system and she doesn't want me to take a risk.). I am no longer fracturing - so there is that (knock on wood). Some of the ideas I got were from membership in another group, and then I did research on my own to see if there was any truth to what they were saying. A functional doctor is what you are looking for, but they are not covered by most insurances and they can be expensive. There is a functional doctor near me that does take my insurance - but she requires $1,500 up front unit your insurance kicks in and I cannot afford that. You probably will not find a medical doctor (except for a functional doctor) who will discuss strontium or boron. They may not even know what they are! I encourage you to do as much research as you can. That's what I've been doing and I know I'm on the right track for my body now.
I wish us all the best luck. This disease is a stinker!

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@parrotqueen Good to hear from you I just used my Boron and eat prunes like RBG I hope whoever whether Amy C Barret or whoever will be as forceful as RBG

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@imatine

Thank you @lioness I am hesitating and sometimes think I should go for natural remedies and excdecise

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@imitine Your welcome. I do mostly naturel remedies. As for Osteoporosis Dr told me to take Calcium Caltrate twice a day and I have other Vit . I take but see what your Dr wants. I did have 1 Reclast infusion its a yearly one . I did have some problems with my teeth so will decide next year if I will take it or not unlike Prolia you have to stay on it . Good luck My Dr. is a O.D. osteopath Dr. will use naturel products

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@parrotqueen

My jaws are my weakest spot. I cannot speak about Prolia, but I think you might agree with some that I say. It's not easy to take a drug with so many side effects after you've been really ill. You start to question ingredients. I tried Fosamax and had jaw problems from the beginning and had to stop taking it. I did nothing for a while, and of course, my osteoporosis got worse. My overalll DEXA score was -5.7. I was starting to fracture. I started eating to get calcium, magnesium, and I supplemented to get Vitamins D3 and K2 (mk4 mk7). I added collagen peptides. I tried taking strontium, but did not get help. And then I started taking boron. I took a tiny dose of boron for about a year. ALL of my pain from osteoarthritis, rheumatoid arthritis and fibbromyalgia went away. Then I upped the dose to 18 - 21 mg per day and the pain I used to get from my "dowager's hump" disappeared. Boron is the key to stopping osteoporosis. RBG was famous for having osteoporosis and she went everywhere with her prunes as prunes are high in boron. Though I have heard you cannot get enough boron from prunes and live to tell the tale. I'm going to wait to see if this dose is effective. If I need to go higher, I want to understand the relationship of estrogen increase because of taking more boron. I had an appointment to get Prolia about two years ago. I wanted to discuss the side effects with the doctor. She said I was wasting her time and she left the room. I told her about the jaw problems with Fosamax and she admitted I would have the same problems. I did some research including talking to women who had suffered side effects from Prolia. I just couldn't take it. After I decided not to take it, I learned that "allegedly" Prolia traps old bone and won't let it leave the area, so it piles up and makes your bones look thicker. This gets labeled as bone growth. But if you doctor is being straight with you, s/he will admit that if you stop using Prolia, all that "bone growth"will be gone as soon as you stop using Prolia. You will finally be able to pee away the dead bone. I'm sure that is oversimplified, but that is the way I learned about it. You have to do what you think is best. I gav\e up eating sugar almost six years ago, and that is also worth doing if you have osteoporosis. Going off sugar was the smartest thing I ever did for my body. As soon as my doctor clears me to get another DEXA Scan, I will let you know if I improved. (I don't have an immune system and she doesn't want me to take a risk.). I am no longer fracturing - so there is that (knock on wood). Some of the ideas I got were from membership in another group, and then I did research on my own to see if there was any truth to what they were saying. A functional doctor is what you are looking for, but they are not covered by most insurances and they can be expensive. There is a functional doctor near me that does take my insurance - but she requires $1,500 up front unit your insurance kicks in and I cannot afford that. You probably will not find a medical doctor (except for a functional doctor) who will discuss strontium or boron. They may not even know what they are! I encourage you to do as much research as you can. That's what I've been doing and I know I'm on the right track for my body now.
I wish us all the best luck. This disease is a stinker!

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Hello parrotqueen, wow, I can relate to so much of what you said and your journey. How are you doing? I am so far behind on posts! Please forgive.

Could you please describe to me what bones you have fractured, how each broke, how badly each hurt individually and for how long and how long did it take for them to heal. I know I'm asking a lot and I completely understand if you aren't comfortable giving out this information. No worries. 😊

I am 67.9 years old and have "severe" (bc I 've fractured 3 pelvic, 1 rib spontaneously) osteoporosis. I take Prednisone and a demodifying anti-rheumatic drug (DMARD) daily. Both are immunosuppressants.

My recent DEXA scan showed my spine is 13% worse and hip 14%. The report says that changes more than 2‰ are considered significant. I think they were - 3.5 and 3.7? I don't feel well enough to get up and look right now.

I lost a ton of weight by eating a very low calorie diet for about 3 years and only recently learned that is the worst thing I could have done for osteoporosis! I had zero dairy that whole time!! 😲

My Endocrinologists have wanted me to take a bisphosphonate but I can't bring myself to do it after learning how many potential horrible side- effects there can be. Some are serious! The mere description of "severe debilitating" muscle /joint /bone pain & flu-like symptoms would just be doubling up on ny current pain not counting my pretty much head to toe neuropathy pain (sting, burn & feels like I'm missing top layer of skin)!

I learned about a great supplement from a blog member here and without a doubt I'm changing my bone supplement for this one for several reasons.

It's made by AOR company in Canada. It has everything you mentioned, including boron, but not strontium bc it should be taken 2 hours after or before calcium and on an empty stomach! So I biught their Strontium too.

It sounds like you've been through so much my heart feels so heavy for you. Please know that I will be praying for you to be relieved and to experience the comfort of God and His peace through Christ which surpasses human understanding.
In Christ's unfathomable love, Sunnyflower. 😊🌹🙏💗 @imatine @lioness

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@imatine

I am 42 years old and based on a recent dexa scan I got severly low density in my spine and moderate one in my hips. I am a cancer survivor. Had a nasopharyngeal carcinoma, treated through radiotherapy. I went to a rheumatologist who prescribed Prolia and reading about all the side effects, I am traumatised especially that my Jaws received high dose of radio and because I suffer from severe dryness in my mouth. What kind of treatment suits my case and whose specialty is this? An endocrinologist, rehumatilogis ? I can't make a decision on how to go about it. Thanks for any advice here in the community and at Mayo

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Hello Imatine. I am Sunnyflower. Endocrinologists usually manage osteoporosis. Since you've been under the care of an Oncologist, the two specialists can coordinate your care. I wish you all the best in every way.
Many blessings and warmest wishes, Sunnyflower 🤗🌹

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@sunnyflower

Hello Imatine. I am Sunnyflower. Endocrinologists usually manage osteoporosis. Since you've been under the care of an Oncologist, the two specialists can coordinate your care. I wish you all the best in every way.
Many blessings and warmest wishes, Sunnyflower 🤗🌹

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Thank you so much dear @sunnyflower 🤗🌷

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@parrotqueen

My jaws are my weakest spot. I cannot speak about Prolia, but I think you might agree with some that I say. It's not easy to take a drug with so many side effects after you've been really ill. You start to question ingredients. I tried Fosamax and had jaw problems from the beginning and had to stop taking it. I did nothing for a while, and of course, my osteoporosis got worse. My overalll DEXA score was -5.7. I was starting to fracture. I started eating to get calcium, magnesium, and I supplemented to get Vitamins D3 and K2 (mk4 mk7). I added collagen peptides. I tried taking strontium, but did not get help. And then I started taking boron. I took a tiny dose of boron for about a year. ALL of my pain from osteoarthritis, rheumatoid arthritis and fibbromyalgia went away. Then I upped the dose to 18 - 21 mg per day and the pain I used to get from my "dowager's hump" disappeared. Boron is the key to stopping osteoporosis. RBG was famous for having osteoporosis and she went everywhere with her prunes as prunes are high in boron. Though I have heard you cannot get enough boron from prunes and live to tell the tale. I'm going to wait to see if this dose is effective. If I need to go higher, I want to understand the relationship of estrogen increase because of taking more boron. I had an appointment to get Prolia about two years ago. I wanted to discuss the side effects with the doctor. She said I was wasting her time and she left the room. I told her about the jaw problems with Fosamax and she admitted I would have the same problems. I did some research including talking to women who had suffered side effects from Prolia. I just couldn't take it. After I decided not to take it, I learned that "allegedly" Prolia traps old bone and won't let it leave the area, so it piles up and makes your bones look thicker. This gets labeled as bone growth. But if you doctor is being straight with you, s/he will admit that if you stop using Prolia, all that "bone growth"will be gone as soon as you stop using Prolia. You will finally be able to pee away the dead bone. I'm sure that is oversimplified, but that is the way I learned about it. You have to do what you think is best. I gav\e up eating sugar almost six years ago, and that is also worth doing if you have osteoporosis. Going off sugar was the smartest thing I ever did for my body. As soon as my doctor clears me to get another DEXA Scan, I will let you know if I improved. (I don't have an immune system and she doesn't want me to take a risk.). I am no longer fracturing - so there is that (knock on wood). Some of the ideas I got were from membership in another group, and then I did research on my own to see if there was any truth to what they were saying. A functional doctor is what you are looking for, but they are not covered by most insurances and they can be expensive. There is a functional doctor near me that does take my insurance - but she requires $1,500 up front unit your insurance kicks in and I cannot afford that. You probably will not find a medical doctor (except for a functional doctor) who will discuss strontium or boron. They may not even know what they are! I encourage you to do as much research as you can. That's what I've been doing and I know I'm on the right track for my body now.
I wish us all the best luck. This disease is a stinker!

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parrotqueen, I'm glad you have discovered boron and utilize a supplement with boron containing foods. I believe you will see the same benefit from foods, if not more, containing Activator-X. Sufficient magnesium to activate vitamin D and thiamine (B1) plays a major role in these nutrients becoming bioactive as well as a staggering number of other critical functions. Sadly, adequate levels are not in many diets and often supplements used have low absorption levels. Krispin shares her valuable magnesium information in the link below. And also don't leave out vitamin C ! Always consult your health care professional before using any supplement.

https://www.westonaprice.org/health-topics/in-defense-of-vitamin-k2-mk-4-dr-prices-activator-x/
https://onlinelibrary.wiley.com/doi/abs/10.1002/jcb.29632?af=R&utm_source=feedburner&utm_medium=feed&utm_campaign=Feed%3A+JournalOfCellularBiochemistry+%28Journal+of+Cellular+Biochemistry%29
https://www.krispin.com/magnes.html
https://www.spineuniverse.com/conditions/osteoporosis/osteoporosis-vitamin-c-keeping-healthy

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@onamission

parrotqueen, I'm glad you have discovered boron and utilize a supplement with boron containing foods. I believe you will see the same benefit from foods, if not more, containing Activator-X. Sufficient magnesium to activate vitamin D and thiamine (B1) plays a major role in these nutrients becoming bioactive as well as a staggering number of other critical functions. Sadly, adequate levels are not in many diets and often supplements used have low absorption levels. Krispin shares her valuable magnesium information in the link below. And also don't leave out vitamin C ! Always consult your health care professional before using any supplement.

https://www.westonaprice.org/health-topics/in-defense-of-vitamin-k2-mk-4-dr-prices-activator-x/
https://onlinelibrary.wiley.com/doi/abs/10.1002/jcb.29632?af=R&utm_source=feedburner&utm_medium=feed&utm_campaign=Feed%3A+JournalOfCellularBiochemistry+%28Journal+of+Cellular+Biochemistry%29
https://www.krispin.com/magnes.html
https://www.spineuniverse.com/conditions/osteoporosis/osteoporosis-vitamin-c-keeping-healthy

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Interesting side note to the posting on Activator X

The activator-x discussed here seems to be Vit K2. Found in certain animal and fermented foods, K2 has been tied to many benefits including bone health and cancer prevention. There is another link found in research to the popular Budwig diet which is found on the internet as a cancer prevention diet; this diet contains fermented products, as well as, eliminating sugars and the famous Budwig chemical concoction of flaxseed oil and cottage cheese which uses the chemical reaction between flaxseed oil and cottage cheese to flood the body with oxygen in the hope of preventing cancers.

I just found the link between Activator-X and the Budwig Diet interesting (fermentedfoods) ..not suggesting either, although I do use the Budwig diet flaxseed oil and cottage cheese concoction. I am less likely to use the fermented foods or completely eliminate sugars...probably to my detriment, sadly.

https://www.healthline.com/nutrition/vitamin-k2#sources
https://www.medicalnewstoday.com/articles/320352#making-the-mixture
https://www.budwig-stiftung.de/en/dr-johanna-budwig/her-research.html

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@imatine

Thank you so much dear @sunnyflower 🤗🌷

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My pleasure! I hope and pray it all works out for you seamlessly. Remember, you have to advocate for yourself. Don't be intimated at all, ever. Easier said than done but you have a lot of patient rights. You can ask for diagnostics and referrals. Warmest wishes, and have a blessed Thanksgiving, Sunny 🙏🤗🌹

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@lioness

@imitine Your welcome. I do mostly naturel remedies. As for Osteoporosis Dr told me to take Calcium Caltrate twice a day and I have other Vit . I take but see what your Dr wants. I did have 1 Reclast infusion its a yearly one . I did have some problems with my teeth so will decide next year if I will take it or not unlike Prolia you have to stay on it . Good luck My Dr. is a O.D. osteopath Dr. will use naturel products

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I don't have a natural homeopathic doctor in this state. I'd like to know specifics about how much any doctor (natural) advises. I've seen friends lose their lives taking meds that cause more trouble, then taking meds for that, then they die and I wonder if it weren't the prescriptions that caused it. I was told I needed meds for high BP. I broke out in a rash. I researched and found hawthorn (but it restricts the heart) and Hibiscus (relaxes blood vessels) so I took Hibiscus and after a month my BP is perfect! I want the same results for my brittle bones 🙂 Can anyone please say what dosages and what vitimins etc they are taking? This is NOT prescribing. Just sharing. It's up to us to evaluate and research for ourselves but first you need to know what is working for others. A starting point. Please. Thanks so much! 🙂

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