Newly diagnosed questions

Posted by lorkem258 @lorkem258, Aug 27, 2023

Results of 12 core biopsy are two Gleason 7 3+4 left aper and left lateral mid, and 1 was ‘ Focal prostatic intraepithelial neoplasia (PIN), not sure what that means but seems to mean precursor for cancer? That result was in right apex.
age: 62 years old. What is the usual next step? Do they do something now to see if it’s fast or slow? Or do we jump right into treatment options. Seeing the dr Thursday but just wanting to get a feel for what’s to come?
Thank you

Interested in more discussions like this? Go to the Prostate Cancer Support Group.

Prostate Cancer Foundation (pcf.org) now has a Patient guide for the newly diagnosed - free by download and hard copy.
Also Patrict Walsh, MD'S book "Surviving Prostate Cancer ".
Primary pathways are treatment (either surgery or radiation with ADT hormone therapy) or active surveillance.
Other tests, including a PSMA PET scan, may be appropriate.
My suggestion is read the PCF guide and/or Dr Walsh's book and prepare for Thursday.
Best wishes.

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You have two biopsy that are cancer on one side, and a precursor on the other side. Most places at the get go offer the most aggressive treatments possible, and hardly mention the issues of those treatments. Some people are ok with that as they just want it out and be done, others want to see what else is available, but usually most centers/places you go never mention anything but the most aggressive treatments. Hard to say for sure, but that is the typical story, and with me. Even at Mayo you might be advised that, though they have some doctors doing focal and multi-focal treatments, almost always what is advised is the most aggressive. Prepare to have to go to 2 to 5 additional places, doing a fair amount of calling around, but often times there are dead ends. Let us know what they tell you, and how comfortable you are with the main two treatments RP (surgery) and RT (Radiation of some kind). I think more people are opting for RT of some kind, but prostate size and so on factors into that.

If your doctor mention the focal and multi-focal therapies that is a real plus for your doctor. There is also active surveillance in some cases, then there is a re-grading of the biopsy in some cases. It used to be people had slides mailed to Hopkins for re-graded but the main person is gone from there, so suggest Mayo or other if you want a re-grading.

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@michaelcharles

Prostate Cancer Foundation (pcf.org) now has a Patient guide for the newly diagnosed - free by download and hard copy.
Also Patrict Walsh, MD'S book "Surviving Prostate Cancer ".
Primary pathways are treatment (either surgery or radiation with ADT hormone therapy) or active surveillance.
Other tests, including a PSMA PET scan, may be appropriate.
My suggestion is read the PCF guide and/or Dr Walsh's book and prepare for Thursday.
Best wishes.

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Thank you!

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@bjroc

You have two biopsy that are cancer on one side, and a precursor on the other side. Most places at the get go offer the most aggressive treatments possible, and hardly mention the issues of those treatments. Some people are ok with that as they just want it out and be done, others want to see what else is available, but usually most centers/places you go never mention anything but the most aggressive treatments. Hard to say for sure, but that is the typical story, and with me. Even at Mayo you might be advised that, though they have some doctors doing focal and multi-focal treatments, almost always what is advised is the most aggressive. Prepare to have to go to 2 to 5 additional places, doing a fair amount of calling around, but often times there are dead ends. Let us know what they tell you, and how comfortable you are with the main two treatments RP (surgery) and RT (Radiation of some kind). I think more people are opting for RT of some kind, but prostate size and so on factors into that.

If your doctor mention the focal and multi-focal therapies that is a real plus for your doctor. There is also active surveillance in some cases, then there is a re-grading of the biopsy in some cases. It used to be people had slides mailed to Hopkins for re-graded but the main person is gone from there, so suggest Mayo or other if you want a re-grading.

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Ok I will definitely takes notes of what is said. Can’t do mri because of pacemaker from birth defect so I wonder how that will play into things as well . I’ll let you know Thursday. Thank you for all the information!!

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If you want a direct discussion of PIN, try this link. But the PC found sounds like the big dog in your fight.
https://www.health.harvard.edu/blog/what-is-prostatic-intraepithelial-neoplasia-pin-2009040440

Good luck and God Speed
bob

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@grandpun

If you want a direct discussion of PIN, try this link. But the PC found sounds like the big dog in your fight.
https://www.health.harvard.edu/blog/what-is-prostatic-intraepithelial-neoplasia-pin-2009040440

Good luck and God Speed
bob

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Thank you for the link! I am curious to know if any statistic on after removal how common is it that more is found and if higher grades?

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@bjroc

You have two biopsy that are cancer on one side, and a precursor on the other side. Most places at the get go offer the most aggressive treatments possible, and hardly mention the issues of those treatments. Some people are ok with that as they just want it out and be done, others want to see what else is available, but usually most centers/places you go never mention anything but the most aggressive treatments. Hard to say for sure, but that is the typical story, and with me. Even at Mayo you might be advised that, though they have some doctors doing focal and multi-focal treatments, almost always what is advised is the most aggressive. Prepare to have to go to 2 to 5 additional places, doing a fair amount of calling around, but often times there are dead ends. Let us know what they tell you, and how comfortable you are with the main two treatments RP (surgery) and RT (Radiation of some kind). I think more people are opting for RT of some kind, but prostate size and so on factors into that.

If your doctor mention the focal and multi-focal therapies that is a real plus for your doctor. There is also active surveillance in some cases, then there is a re-grading of the biopsy in some cases. It used to be people had slides mailed to Hopkins for re-graded but the main person is gone from there, so suggest Mayo or other if you want a re-grading.

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Believe it or not I found a doctor that considers focal treatments and believes active surveillance is the wise choice for non aggressive cancer. I originally was graded 3+4 and received second opinion from John Hopkins pathologist Dr Epstein. He interpreted my slide as 3+3 and found no definitive 4 patterns. My PSA has been in the 5 range for two years (July came in at 5.8

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Lorkem258: I had 3+4 and 10.2 psa. I went to multiple radiation oncologists. Active surveillance does not mean they will catch an issue before you have to make decisions regarding treatment later on that can change your entire quality of life forever because the cancer has grown in between the times they are checking your blood. I chose treatment and specifically the MRIdian linac radiation machine. 2mm margins vs 4-6 mm for other types of radiation. Protect your healthy tissue. Finished 5 treatments in February.

Here are some other research thoughts:

Nccn.org
Many doctors follow their guidelines, and it is there for doctors and patients
Decipherbio.com
Takes a slice of the biopsy which helps evaluate aggressiveness and modes of treatments
Viewray.com
MRI/Radiation machine combination unit
Mevian.com
Proton therapy radiation machine

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@bens1

Lorkem258: I had 3+4 and 10.2 psa. I went to multiple radiation oncologists. Active surveillance does not mean they will catch an issue before you have to make decisions regarding treatment later on that can change your entire quality of life forever because the cancer has grown in between the times they are checking your blood. I chose treatment and specifically the MRIdian linac radiation machine. 2mm margins vs 4-6 mm for other types of radiation. Protect your healthy tissue. Finished 5 treatments in February.

Here are some other research thoughts:

Nccn.org
Many doctors follow their guidelines, and it is there for doctors and patients
Decipherbio.com
Takes a slice of the biopsy which helps evaluate aggressiveness and modes of treatments
Viewray.com
MRI/Radiation machine combination unit
Mevian.com
Proton therapy radiation machine

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This is good information. The only problem in my case is a pacemaker prevents MRI. But we will definitely ask a lot about the radiation options.
Thank you !!

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@lorkem258

Ok I will definitely takes notes of what is said. Can’t do mri because of pacemaker from birth defect so I wonder how that will play into things as well . I’ll let you know Thursday. Thank you for all the information!!

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I have a pacemaker as well. Some are MRI compliant but mine is not. Instead of the MRI, I had Cat Scan and bone scan. I believe you could have a PET Scan. I have heard that newer pacemakers are MRI compliant however my surgeon stated they have to use a 'low level' MRI so it is not that helpful. My current pacemaker is 7 years old.

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