ILC w/1 lymph node cancerous. Standard not to radiate lymph area?

Posted by Dream.catchr @mickeyambrose49, Aug 16, 2023

Now I worry all the time it has spread. Oncologist tells me she can’t guarantee that it hasn’t already spread to bones, lungs etc. Has anyone else had cancerous lymph nodes but radiation oncologist refused to radiate that area? Is this standard care?

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I am wondering if you had a mastectomy, and if you had an Oncotype test indicating hormonal meds would be beneficial. Did the radiologist give a reason?

It is true for all of us that no doctor can assure us that no cancer cells got to other parts of our body. I wonder if that is what the radiologist meant or if there was a more serious reason for them to say that.

I had lymphovascular invasion, which I have read is sometimes equivalent to one positive node, and didn't have radiation. My diagnosis was 8 1/2 years ago.

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@windyshores

I am wondering if you had a mastectomy, and if you had an Oncotype test indicating hormonal meds would be beneficial. Did the radiologist give a reason?

It is true for all of us that no doctor can assure us that no cancer cells got to other parts of our body. I wonder if that is what the radiologist meant or if there was a more serious reason for them to say that.

I had lymphovascular invasion, which I have read is sometimes equivalent to one positive node, and didn't have radiation. My diagnosis was 8 1/2 years ago.

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I had lymphovascular invasion too. I had one Sentinel node positive so they removed all my armpits lymph nodes as precaution. I didn’t have radiation either. The standard is you’ll have 3 and plus lymph node positive to “qualify” for radiation. Both my Oncologist and Radiation Oncologist said I won’t get much benefit to receive radiation.

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I had mastectomy and sentinel node biopsy for invasive lobular cancer. One of three sentinel nodes had a 5mm cancer with extra nodal extension. One Radiation Oncologist wants to radiate the entire chest wall and axillary lymph nodes. Another recommends radiation to the axillary and supraclavicular nodes, and no radiation to chest wall. A third suggests considering no radiation because my cancer is in "a gray area" in terms of whether to radiate and no radiation would be within the standard of care. I am taking anastrozole. Pathology after surgery was T2N1(a) It is so difficult to know which way to go when you are given greatly different options that are each considered reasonable. Why is your radiologist refusing to radiate the lymph nodes? Did you have more axillary nodes removed than just the few done with a sentinel node biopsy?

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I just read an article yesterday that said cancer care is "moving away from radiation" due to advances in treatment (and side effects). That made me feel reassured, actually, because I was given a choice and always have wondered....

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Mmm I had invasion of lymph’s 1 with cancer and 1 was micro which the doc says on the pathology report had to say 2 lymph’s
My radiation was more at the collarbone because of invasion They did the lymph area as well but not has heavy I only say that because my collarbone was the redness. Taking anastrozole for 5- 7 years. Mammogram was cleared for once a year - mri 6 months after mammogram- because my cancer was near my chest wall. The mammograms have a hard time seeing that. Food for thought I have dense breast .

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@resort

I had lymphovascular invasion too. I had one Sentinel node positive so they removed all my armpits lymph nodes as precaution. I didn’t have radiation either. The standard is you’ll have 3 and plus lymph node positive to “qualify” for radiation. Both my Oncologist and Radiation Oncologist said I won’t get much benefit to receive radiation.

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Have you suffered from lymphedema as a result of having all of the lymph nodes under your arm pits removed? Do you wear a compression vest and/or arm compression? Cancer returned in the form of two tumors at each end of the lymph node incision. I have been told the surgeon will only perform surgery to remove the rest of my breast when I agree to have all remaining lymph nodes removed, although they are all healthy. (Ten were removed when I had a lumpectomy.)

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@wpglea

Have you suffered from lymphedema as a result of having all of the lymph nodes under your arm pits removed? Do you wear a compression vest and/or arm compression? Cancer returned in the form of two tumors at each end of the lymph node incision. I have been told the surgeon will only perform surgery to remove the rest of my breast when I agree to have all remaining lymph nodes removed, although they are all healthy. (Ten were removed when I had a lumpectomy.)

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I had slight swollen arm after lymph node removal. Luckily, I started physical therapy shortly and reversed lymphedema. No, I don’t wear compression sleeves. My PT told me not to wear it even if I fly long hours.

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@windyshores

I am wondering if you had a mastectomy, and if you had an Oncotype test indicating hormonal meds would be beneficial. Did the radiologist give a reason?

It is true for all of us that no doctor can assure us that no cancer cells got to other parts of our body. I wonder if that is what the radiologist meant or if there was a more serious reason for them to say that.

I had lymphovascular invasion, which I have read is sometimes equivalent to one positive node, and didn't have radiation. My diagnosis was 8 1/2 years ago.

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Your post is encouraging. Thank you! I had a pea sized mass removed along with 3 lymph nodes. On was cancer. I think she may have said that because it is an invasive lobular cancer that is known to travel. Although she said the fact that I am older (66yo) female and I have breast leaves me open to having cancer in the other breast. My oncotype score was 18 and I am trying the 3rd hormone blocker. So many side effects effect my brain. Makes it difficult to do my job. I have been complaining that I don’t feel well since after lumpectomy (Jan 2023) and radiation (April 2013) . They had started me on tamoxifen and they assumed the side effects of the drug was why. Finally in June she was tired of my complaining and my oncologist transferred me to another oncologist in the hospital that handles “more difficult cases.” Made me feel awful being dumped like that. Before she referred me she ordered a bone and brain scan because she wanted prove to me it was the side effects of the hormone blockers. I saw my new oncologist on Monday this week. She wasn’t sure why I was on her schedule so we discussed trying a new hormone blocker and we’re going to end appt when it dawned on me I had never gotten the results of the bone scan. My memory is not good on these hormone blockers. I asked for the results. She tried to tell me that the results had been discussed with me. She started reviewing the report and than stated with shock in her eyes and voice. “You have a spot on your bone above your knee. We need to get you to xray. I’ll get the results to you rt away. “ she walked out and a nurse walked in and escorted me to X-ray. I heard nothing Tuesday and by wed at 3pm I was frustrated and called. Left a VM that I would like to hear the results of the X-ray. After 5pm a message appeared in the hospital portal telling me I have an endochondroma in femur and within it is a chondrosarcoma. I didn’t know what either was. I tried calling but they were closed so I went to my friend google which doesn’t always have accurate data and I found that what I have is bone cancer. Late at night with no one to talk too. I cried. I called the oncologist the next morning and waited all day. I finally got a call at about 5pm. No apology for the way they delivered the news no compassion for what they had put me through. The nurse that called said that the other nurse that sent that message had misspoken as I still need a biopsy to confirm but they are 90% certain it’s cancer. I am devastated and deeply hurt because of the lack of compassion I experienced from my care team during this time in my life. I was told I needed to find an orthopedic surgeon so I ask that they send a referral to Mayo Clinic. This morning (Friday) They sent a piece of paper to Mayo but no images or reports and Mayo can’t schedule me or even accept me until they see these images and reports so I wait and I wait some more. Im 66 and after this week I feel 100yo. Thank you for listening. I needed to get this off my chest.

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@mickeyambrose49

Your post is encouraging. Thank you! I had a pea sized mass removed along with 3 lymph nodes. On was cancer. I think she may have said that because it is an invasive lobular cancer that is known to travel. Although she said the fact that I am older (66yo) female and I have breast leaves me open to having cancer in the other breast. My oncotype score was 18 and I am trying the 3rd hormone blocker. So many side effects effect my brain. Makes it difficult to do my job. I have been complaining that I don’t feel well since after lumpectomy (Jan 2023) and radiation (April 2013) . They had started me on tamoxifen and they assumed the side effects of the drug was why. Finally in June she was tired of my complaining and my oncologist transferred me to another oncologist in the hospital that handles “more difficult cases.” Made me feel awful being dumped like that. Before she referred me she ordered a bone and brain scan because she wanted prove to me it was the side effects of the hormone blockers. I saw my new oncologist on Monday this week. She wasn’t sure why I was on her schedule so we discussed trying a new hormone blocker and we’re going to end appt when it dawned on me I had never gotten the results of the bone scan. My memory is not good on these hormone blockers. I asked for the results. She tried to tell me that the results had been discussed with me. She started reviewing the report and than stated with shock in her eyes and voice. “You have a spot on your bone above your knee. We need to get you to xray. I’ll get the results to you rt away. “ she walked out and a nurse walked in and escorted me to X-ray. I heard nothing Tuesday and by wed at 3pm I was frustrated and called. Left a VM that I would like to hear the results of the X-ray. After 5pm a message appeared in the hospital portal telling me I have an endochondroma in femur and within it is a chondrosarcoma. I didn’t know what either was. I tried calling but they were closed so I went to my friend google which doesn’t always have accurate data and I found that what I have is bone cancer. Late at night with no one to talk too. I cried. I called the oncologist the next morning and waited all day. I finally got a call at about 5pm. No apology for the way they delivered the news no compassion for what they had put me through. The nurse that called said that the other nurse that sent that message had misspoken as I still need a biopsy to confirm but they are 90% certain it’s cancer. I am devastated and deeply hurt because of the lack of compassion I experienced from my care team during this time in my life. I was told I needed to find an orthopedic surgeon so I ask that they send a referral to Mayo Clinic. This morning (Friday) They sent a piece of paper to Mayo but no images or reports and Mayo can’t schedule me or even accept me until they see these images and reports so I wait and I wait some more. Im 66 and after this week I feel 100yo. Thank you for listening. I needed to get this off my chest.

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@mickeyambrose49 I am wondering why, at 66, they put you on tamoxifen. Have you now tried aromatase inhibitors? I was able to tolerate brand name letrozole and later found out that I could tolerate letrozole from one manufacturer. Lobular can be harder to image, according to my doc, so glad you got it diagnosed.

More importantly, it is good that you had that bone scan so in the end being a squeaky wheel helped you! I also looked those terms up and the Mayo site says that enchondromas can sometimes transform into chondrosarcoma.

It seems that this new kind of tumor is not related to your breast cancer. Is that right? The Mayo site says that sometimes they are slow-growing and hoping you caught it early and surgery takes care of it. So sorry you are dealing with this!

I really hope you hear from someone Monday and don't have to wait for info and treatment.

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@mickeyambrose49

Your post is encouraging. Thank you! I had a pea sized mass removed along with 3 lymph nodes. On was cancer. I think she may have said that because it is an invasive lobular cancer that is known to travel. Although she said the fact that I am older (66yo) female and I have breast leaves me open to having cancer in the other breast. My oncotype score was 18 and I am trying the 3rd hormone blocker. So many side effects effect my brain. Makes it difficult to do my job. I have been complaining that I don’t feel well since after lumpectomy (Jan 2023) and radiation (April 2013) . They had started me on tamoxifen and they assumed the side effects of the drug was why. Finally in June she was tired of my complaining and my oncologist transferred me to another oncologist in the hospital that handles “more difficult cases.” Made me feel awful being dumped like that. Before she referred me she ordered a bone and brain scan because she wanted prove to me it was the side effects of the hormone blockers. I saw my new oncologist on Monday this week. She wasn’t sure why I was on her schedule so we discussed trying a new hormone blocker and we’re going to end appt when it dawned on me I had never gotten the results of the bone scan. My memory is not good on these hormone blockers. I asked for the results. She tried to tell me that the results had been discussed with me. She started reviewing the report and than stated with shock in her eyes and voice. “You have a spot on your bone above your knee. We need to get you to xray. I’ll get the results to you rt away. “ she walked out and a nurse walked in and escorted me to X-ray. I heard nothing Tuesday and by wed at 3pm I was frustrated and called. Left a VM that I would like to hear the results of the X-ray. After 5pm a message appeared in the hospital portal telling me I have an endochondroma in femur and within it is a chondrosarcoma. I didn’t know what either was. I tried calling but they were closed so I went to my friend google which doesn’t always have accurate data and I found that what I have is bone cancer. Late at night with no one to talk too. I cried. I called the oncologist the next morning and waited all day. I finally got a call at about 5pm. No apology for the way they delivered the news no compassion for what they had put me through. The nurse that called said that the other nurse that sent that message had misspoken as I still need a biopsy to confirm but they are 90% certain it’s cancer. I am devastated and deeply hurt because of the lack of compassion I experienced from my care team during this time in my life. I was told I needed to find an orthopedic surgeon so I ask that they send a referral to Mayo Clinic. This morning (Friday) They sent a piece of paper to Mayo but no images or reports and Mayo can’t schedule me or even accept me until they see these images and reports so I wait and I wait some more. Im 66 and after this week I feel 100yo. Thank you for listening. I needed to get this off my chest.

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I am just popping in here to say I am sorry to hear about your story and how your situation has been handled. I also have ILC and share your worries but seems like you've been given very little grace and respect on your journey. Please hang in there and know we are all sending you love and positive thoughts to keep head up, keep plugging away for answers and be persistent. Sadly we have to sometimes be a bit edgy to get progress and that doesn't help the situation which can be scary and unknown, and it beats down your mind while your body already taking a beating. Hang in there and sending you 💓!!

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