Diagnosed with DCIS: How do I decide on treatment?

Posted by tctredwell1 @tctredwell1, Aug 23, 2022

I was diagnosed with DCIS. I have to go in for a breast MRI with contrast tomorrow to see how active the cancer is. If it’s contained and not very active, do I have to have a lumpectomy?

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@jennie23b

THANK YOU SO MUCH! I get my breast care from Memorial Sloan Kettering Cancer Center in Monmouth New Jersey. They have been wonderful, not one complaint. However, this test never came up. They were certain of my DCIS upon reading my initial breast MRI. And then a lumpectomy followed with my sentinel node being removed due to their skepticism about my microinvasions being so many and so close. My surgeon was 99.9 % sure she got it all but the team of doctors wanted 100% certainty. Chemo was never an option as I never had "invasive" cancer. I was very close, but they knew I wasn't there. I did have 25 rounds of radiation, and they were confident that that is all i needed. I am wondering if this is something that is worth mentioning to my oncologist. I just had my annual follow up with her and we knocked my Tamoxifen down to its lowest dose. I may put a message out there and ask about this test. My oncologist also has about the same time in experience as yours so this would be something they would be knowlegable about. (I hope) My oncologist is also predicting low reoccurrence rates for me, except that the microinvasions were somewhat of a concern for them.

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@jennie23b 3b you can have the Oncotype Dx done anytime after your surgery, even a year or two later, using the specimens that are still stored at the pathology lab.

In my experience, I had to ask a doctor to order it, but I also talked with the pathology lab to make sure the right specimen was sent to the right place. Most people would not do this but I am not a trusting person!

You can call Genomic Health, the company that makes the test, for advice. Maybe your doc did it???
https://www.breastcancer.org/research-news/more-proof-oncotype-dx-predicts-recurrence
"The Oncotype DX DCIS test is a genomic test that analyzes the activity of a group of genes that can affect how DCIS is likely to behave and respond to treatment. The test is performed on a sample of DCIS tissue. The Oncotype DX DCIS test offers results as a recurrence score."

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Hi,
pre covid I enjoyed a wonderful support group for breast cancer...after a couple of years w/o my group due to covid, a zoom meeting started. The wonderful thing about the group is that people come with tears & leave in laughter!
I too could not take many of the drugs offered but after dealing with this (LCIS to begin)...then after 20-30 yrs of not being able to decide, I got a bilateral mastectomy....took me awhile (since 2008) but I am finally content with my decision. I must say, the group helped tremendously, things changed so much since this first happened to me. With LCIS when I was first diagnosed they said 'bilateral mastectomy' now it is considered precancerous...so there is always hope. good luck!

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@callalloo

Jennie, I first met with an oncologist a few weeks after a lumpectomy and he suggested that I have the OncotypeDX test done as it helps determine risk of recurrence but, more importantly, whether chemo should be considered.

I had surgery at Cleveland Clinic and they routinely keep aside tumor tissue from tumor surgery in case genomic testing is ordered. [I suspect that that's standard practice everywhere. Or certainly hope it is.] So, when we agreed to have the OncotypeDX done, I just signed the request and the tissue was submitted for testing.

I hope and wish everyone considers genomic tests that could help one carve put a treatment plan. In my case, chemo was ruled out as 'not recommended by the test report. And we learned that I have a very low risk of recurrence (under 3% if I take aromatase inhibitors, under 6% if I don't) if the OncotypeDX is valid and the breast oncology world seems to think it is.

What was extra reassuring was that my oncologist said that he thought the risk number would be that low as well. That is, his 30 years of working in breast cancer oncology, had him calculating essentially the same approximate result. There are cases though where the genomic testing reveals a very different risk than what a clinician might suspect so it can 'catch errors' that could make a big difference in prognosis and treatment.

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THANK YOU SO MUCH! I get my breast care from Memorial Sloan Kettering Cancer Center in Monmouth New Jersey. They have been wonderful, not one complaint. However, this test never came up. They were certain of my DCIS upon reading my initial breast MRI. And then a lumpectomy followed with my sentinel node being removed due to their skepticism about my microinvasions being so many and so close. My surgeon was 99.9 % sure she got it all but the team of doctors wanted 100% certainty. Chemo was never an option as I never had "invasive" cancer. I was very close, but they knew I wasn't there. I did have 25 rounds of radiation, and they were confident that that is all i needed. I am wondering if this is something that is worth mentioning to my oncologist. I just had my annual follow up with her and we knocked my Tamoxifen down to its lowest dose. I may put a message out there and ask about this test. My oncologist also has about the same time in experience as yours so this would be something they would be knowlegable about. (I hope) My oncologist is also predicting low reoccurrence rates for me, except that the microinvasions were somewhat of a concern for them.

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There have been a lot of discussions on negative effects of radiation on the heart, especially to the left breast. I’ve seen a lot of posts stating several years later heart damage/disease appeared. My question is for those that have radiation on the RIGHT breast. Has anyone been diagnosed with heart disease/damage from getting radiation in the right breast?
Thanks!

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@elliej

Thank you. I have not yet received my ONCO type results. My Oncologist recommends routinely prescribed Adjuvant therapy. But, I fear the side effects would be too great. I’m waiting for my Genomic testing and consult. 🤗

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Hi, I’ve been following your commentary and am waiting to see how your ONCO type will effect your treatment. I, too have just had my surgery (2 days ago) for cancer incising and am waiting also.
I am not very excited about Adjuvant meds, as I have a small body frame and osteopenia. Praying you can get results soon and a plan of treatment. Keep us posted. Blessings!

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@mylane

My Lane I had surgery July 22 invasive ductal carcinoma stage one and grade one oncotype test DS ER positive. Test came back four, no chemo and I said no radiation due to other problems that I have. My Dr. Would like for me to take a pill for five years . I will go back again Friday to talk to him again, i still do not want to take the pill. I lie awake at night worrying about my decision. I’m 72 years old just want to enjoy what life I have left.

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I was pretty nuch the same as you were, not high numbers, but I did do the radiation after talking to my surgeon. The I tried the pills, but they did not agree with me in a cery cery negatice way. I had all the side effects to a very high degree, crippling me. I had some issues before, slight arthritis in my knuckles, overweight, and inflammation. These were all agrivated and blew up to the worst possible results. I could not walk, I was swollen, legs, feet hands, mood swings, very fark thoughts, it was awful. After 6 months and 4 different drugs, I finally threw in the towel and stopped the drugs. My onco told me all I could do was pray. To make it worse, this was all through covid and I could not see any of my doctors, only through the phone. I was depressed, but decided to go it alone. I went on a whole food plant based diet with NO oil, and lost 65 pounds so far. I walk 2 miles every day, garden hard, and I am enjoying life now more than I ever have. I am 69. I plan to lose another 35 pounds to be a peak weight. No more aches and pains, I sleep really well, and I can do whateve I want with ease. I still do not have good use of my hands, but that is the only lingering side effect I did not lose. I can use them, but cannot bend my fingers at all..... It is a choice for only you to make. I tried them and knew in 2 weeks that they were not for me. Good luck on you journey!!!! I wish you good health!

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@callalloo

Please ask your oncologist about having genomic testing done. If you have a very low risk of recurrence, that can be somewhat reassuring. If you have a high risk, you can deal with it.

All of the statistics about breast cancer and older women are in the process of being reexamine as, it's only been relatively recently that older women started had mammograms. So relying on a thought that recurrence lessens with age is fraught with issues. It might turn out to be right but it's also possible that recurrences in older women just aren't identified (or treated) and thus not represented fully in the breast cancer statistical universe.

These are such important decisions that I think it's always good to also get a second opinion. Two oncologists concurred with my not taking anti-hormone therapy and it was important to me to get the second opinion.

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Thank you. I have not yet received my ONCO type results. My Oncologist recommends routinely prescribed Adjuvant therapy. But, I fear the side effects would be too great. I’m waiting for my Genomic testing and consult. 🤗

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@kathyomaha55

OF course I meant it suppresses estrogen - the hormones that the cancer was being fed upon by being ER+ and PR+. The statistics I wrote were the ones I was told & yes I did google it & read many studies - back in 2018 when diagnosed. I get a DEXA scan annually and told her to get all the info she needed to make a informed decision. I did not mean to get into an argument to anyone.

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Just a note that most insurance companies will only approve having a DexaScan every 2 years and not yearly.

ALL women over 50 should begin to have a DexaScan to keep an eye on the development of osteopenia and osteoporosis. ♥️

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@rene1636

Hi, I also have the micro calcifications. I’ve been researching the treatments after surgery. I’m new to this so I hope asking a question won’t be offensive…….
Since you had another type of breast cancer 2 years later, did you have radiation or hormone therapy after having the lumpectomy with the micro calcifications prior to that?
I’m 62 & also thinking about the quality of life these treatments effect. I’m not sure I want to give up 5 years of life feeling like crap because of a med & having additional testing to watch for health issues caused by the side effects.. I already have issues with bone, joint pain (arthritis) I have family history on both sides of heart problems (oldest person to live on my fathers side was 63!) I have low energy daily, thinning hair due to age & I don’t want to risk a worse cancer of the liver or uterus. My mom had Osteoporosis so I may be a candidate for that as well since I’ve never been tested. From what I’ve researched meds would only exasperate what I already deal with daily. With radiation you have to be monitored the rest of your life for heart disease or lung cancer (former smoker for 45 years) since radiation effects last the rest of your life. These problems almost sound scarier than the possibility of a breast cancer returning.

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I hope you consider getting tested for osteoporosis, given your mother's medical history. This is one area where lack of knowledge can put people at unnecessary risk and knowledge can lead to treatment.

For what it's worth, my oncologists aren't overly concerned about micro-calcifications unless occur with other cancer signals. That might vary from patient to patient or differing levels of dense tissue or something. But they don't routinely remove them absent other markers of risk.

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@jennie23b

May I ask where you obtain an Oncotype DX test?

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Sent to CA. From my hospital Thomas Fairhope, AL.

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