Calcium and Vitamin D for bone strength

Posted by johndavis60 @johndavis60, 2 days ago

Today my RO told me I should be taking calcium and Vitamin D now that I am on ADT, and he recommended OS-Cal. Problem is that OS-Cal is hard to come by and may have been discontinued due to oyster shell sourcing problems. Anyway, was hoping someone could recommend a good brand/choice for Calcium and Vitamin D, perhaps in a combined pill. Seems like ever since I hit 50, the number of pills I swallow everyday is increasing and was hoping to add 1 pill as opposed to two. Thanks!

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For calcium, you should be using calcium citrate. I have a pharmacist Contact me every six months to go over my drugs. She told me that the calcium I was using was wrong and I have to use calcium citrate.

Costco sells it with magnesium as well, which is really a good thing to have.

Calcium citrate always requires you to take two pills because if you look at the label, you’ll see they’re only 250 mg. Even though they say. It’s 500 mg, it requires 2 pills

Your body cannot Process more than 500 mg of calcium at a time so if you take more than that, it does no good.

Calcium almost always includes vitamin D as part of it. Not as much as you may want to take. You’re supposed to take at least 1000 mg a day of vitamin D. I take calcium three times a day, the vitamin D in calcium is around 1000 mg taken three times a day. It can’t hurt to take another thousand milligram pill of vitamin D. You really don’t need much more though.

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another good otc supplement is ALPHA LIPOIC ACID !! google it..helps slow and cancel prostate cancer synthesis..it cheap..I take it every other day now..+ Vit D3, Vit C..plenty of exercise and fluids..

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another good otc supplement is ALPHA LIPOIC ACID !! google it..helps slow and cancel prostate cancer synthesis..it cheap..I take it every other day now..+ Vit D3, Vit C..plenty of exercise and fluids..

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What dose of ALA is good??

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What dose of ALA is good??

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ALA is good unless you have an undiagnosed form of fat metabolism disorder. Don’t ask me how they diagnose that, but a landmark study years ago using flaxseed found that some men accumulate ALA in their prostates - erroneously concluding that ALA causes PCa. It doesn’t, but nobody knows what part of the flaxseed is beneficial so freshly ground (3tbsp/day) is what is recommended.
I used it for two years prior to my surgery…😳

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I take 1,000 mg of Tums or equivalent (calcium carbonate) — that's one ultra-strength tablet or two regular-strength ones — and 2,000 iu of vitamin D3 (2× 1,000 iu tablets) every day. It's cheap and easy, and has my oncologist's and family doctor's blessing.

Note that the supplements alone aren't enough to slow bone-density loss on ADT (or even just with normal human aging). You also need to be doing some light-to-moderate resistance training, e.g. with free weights or exercise bands. Talk to your physiotherapist, or look for routines online.

At the rehab centre, the physios all used Therabands, which are cheap, take no space to store, and were usable even when I was in a wheelchair.
https://www.theraband.com/

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What dose of ALA is good??

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I take it every other day...talk to your doctor

"Recent studies suggest a potential role for alpha-lipoic acid (ALA) in modulating prostate cancer cell growth and progression. Specifically, research indicates that ALA treatment can significantly reduce the viability, migration, and invasion of prostate cancer cell lines in a dose-dependent manner. This effect may be linked to several cellular processes:
Autophagy inhibition: ALA has been shown to inhibit autophagy, a process in which cells recycle components to support growth, particularly in conditions like nutrient deprivation. By inhibiting autophagy, ALA could hinder the survival and proliferation of cancer cells.
Induction of apoptosis: ALA can trigger programmed cell death (apoptosis) in prostate cancer cells through an increase in reactive oxygen species (ROS) levels and activation of the HIF-1α/JNK/Caspase-3 pathway.
Modulation of epithelial-mesenchymal transition (EMT): ALA has been observed to inhibit migration and invasion of prostate cancer cells by counteracting EMT, a process that enables cancer cells to become more invasive and metastatic. This effect is evidenced by the increased expression of E-cadherin and decreased levels of vimentin and N-cadherin after ALA treatment.
Impact on bone health in cases of metastasis: Beyond its effects on cancer cells directly, ALA treatment has also been shown to improve bone health in the context of prostate cancer bone metastases by reducing the differentiation of bone cells (osteoblasts and osteoclasts).

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For calcium, you should be using calcium citrate. I have a pharmacist Contact me every six months to go over my drugs. She told me that the calcium I was using was wrong and I have to use calcium citrate.

Costco sells it with magnesium as well, which is really a good thing to have.

Calcium citrate always requires you to take two pills because if you look at the label, you’ll see they’re only 250 mg. Even though they say. It’s 500 mg, it requires 2 pills

Your body cannot Process more than 500 mg of calcium at a time so if you take more than that, it does no good.

Calcium almost always includes vitamin D as part of it. Not as much as you may want to take. You’re supposed to take at least 1000 mg a day of vitamin D. I take calcium three times a day, the vitamin D in calcium is around 1000 mg taken three times a day. It can’t hurt to take another thousand milligram pill of vitamin D. You really don’t need much more though.

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The vitamin D dose is 1000 units not 1000 mg.

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I take it every other day...talk to your doctor

"Recent studies suggest a potential role for alpha-lipoic acid (ALA) in modulating prostate cancer cell growth and progression. Specifically, research indicates that ALA treatment can significantly reduce the viability, migration, and invasion of prostate cancer cell lines in a dose-dependent manner. This effect may be linked to several cellular processes:
Autophagy inhibition: ALA has been shown to inhibit autophagy, a process in which cells recycle components to support growth, particularly in conditions like nutrient deprivation. By inhibiting autophagy, ALA could hinder the survival and proliferation of cancer cells.
Induction of apoptosis: ALA can trigger programmed cell death (apoptosis) in prostate cancer cells through an increase in reactive oxygen species (ROS) levels and activation of the HIF-1α/JNK/Caspase-3 pathway.
Modulation of epithelial-mesenchymal transition (EMT): ALA has been observed to inhibit migration and invasion of prostate cancer cells by counteracting EMT, a process that enables cancer cells to become more invasive and metastatic. This effect is evidenced by the increased expression of E-cadherin and decreased levels of vimentin and N-cadherin after ALA treatment.
Impact on bone health in cases of metastasis: Beyond its effects on cancer cells directly, ALA treatment has also been shown to improve bone health in the context of prostate cancer bone metastases by reducing the differentiation of bone cells (osteoblasts and osteoclasts).

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Thank you guy, I ll continue / may increase my dose of ALA, thanks to this info.

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The vitamin D dose is 1000 units not 1000 mg.

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Thanks for the correction. As I was writing it, I was thinking maybe it isn’t milligrams but I didn’t go look at the bottle.

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Profile picture for jeff Marchi @jeffmarc

For calcium, you should be using calcium citrate. I have a pharmacist Contact me every six months to go over my drugs. She told me that the calcium I was using was wrong and I have to use calcium citrate.

Costco sells it with magnesium as well, which is really a good thing to have.

Calcium citrate always requires you to take two pills because if you look at the label, you’ll see they’re only 250 mg. Even though they say. It’s 500 mg, it requires 2 pills

Your body cannot Process more than 500 mg of calcium at a time so if you take more than that, it does no good.

Calcium almost always includes vitamin D as part of it. Not as much as you may want to take. You’re supposed to take at least 1000 mg a day of vitamin D. I take calcium three times a day, the vitamin D in calcium is around 1000 mg taken three times a day. It can’t hurt to take another thousand milligram pill of vitamin D. You really don’t need much more though.

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So I went to the local pharmacy and all they had was calcium carbonate no citrate so I'm wondering if you think the citrate is so much better and if so, why? Thanks.

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