Aromatase Inhibitors: Did you decide to go on them or not?

Posted by nanato6 @nanato6, Oct 12, 2018

Nanaloves: I’m about to start arimidex and just feel that the contraindications , bone issues etc. are overwhelming. I’m 70 years old, dodged a bullet I feel with zero stage DCIS but the follow up is pretty much no different then if it was more aggressive. I’ve just done 33 treatments of radiation and now they advise arimidex as a preventative. I’m not sure with the beginnings of arthritis and lower back. sensitivity already that I should take it. Anyone not take it and not have a recurrence within the 5 years.

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Profile picture for slfisher1976 @slfisher1976

My response is simple… you don’t need to know what you don’t need to know. Personally, three weeks out from a lumpectomy, margins clear, staged 1bNX, I’m looking forward to my radiation “rehearsal” and then (I hope) an accelerated partial breast course of treatment. My surgical teams calls my pathology report “fantastic,” and for now, that’s all I need to know.

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@slfisher1976 I didn't remember what that classification meant.

In stage 1A breast cancer, the tumor measures up to 2 centimeters, but there’s no lymph node involvement. With stage 1B breast cancer, the tumor is less than 2 centimeters, but there are small clusters of cancer cells in nearby lymph nodes.
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Stage 1B: Cancer between 0.2 mm and 2 mm is found in the lymph nodes (the breast tumor can’t be detected or is smaller than 20 mm).

The NX means the lymph nodes cannot be evaluated.

Not sure what it means if the nodes cannot be evaluated but you are 1b!

No offense, but it seems a lot of oncologists are cheerful and reassuring.....

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Profile picture for windyshores @windyshores

I personally don't use these sites. Their results are very different from my genomic tests. I am 7 years out from diagnosis anyway!

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My response is simple… you don’t need to know what you don’t need to know. Personally, three weeks out from a lumpectomy, margins clear, staged 1bNX, I’m looking forward to my radiation “rehearsal” and then (I hope) an accelerated partial breast course of treatment. My surgical teams calls my pathology report “fantastic,” and for now, that’s all I need to know.

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Profile picture for cindylb @cindylb

lluna57 - Sorry you're having the side effects too. This isn't scientific in any way but it seems if many breast cancers are hormone positive in some way then our hormones have been working overtime and by adding a pill that alters that yet again....side effects would be the result. I hope that someday research will begin on the hormone imbalance issues that may contribute to breast and ovarian cancers and all the other related maladies some women suffer. My whole life has been the 'poster child' of imbalanced hormones. I enjoy studying breast cancer, the drugs and their effects but there isn't enough information available to the public or patients on exactly how the AI's function. Also, I haven't gotten any detailed information from my doctors. I wonder what other functions those AI's perform to stop cancer and why they create the sometimes dramatic effects in many women.
I too had bones of steel at one point....ha ha. Now they are more like bones of tin perhaps, but only due to my natural hormone decline. The AI's hasten that demise in some way by removing estrogen and progesterone I guess. I do hear that the pain we experience from them goes away once you stop the drugs but I have also had my doctors say they'll just give you another pill to remedy the bone loss..........it's a sort of cascade of pills.
We all have to choose between the cancer and the side effects. I'm hopeful that the next generation of breast cancer patients will have more and better options.
I have my six month check up this Tuesday and I will try to get more information on the AI's and long term effect and perhaps more about how they work. I will share anything new I learn. If anyone else on here has more information, please share. I know I'd benefit from a clearer understanding of the meds and long term effects.
Hugs!!

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The aromatase inhibitors stop the production of estrogen. Estrogen helps support bone renewal. Pre-menopausal women are said to have an 'estrogen shield' protecting their bones to some extent. That is lost (though not 100%) with menopause and is one reason that many women take 'hormone replacement therapy' after menopause. Estrogen does a lot of other things as well. I'm not sanguine that it's other functions are getting due attention. Loss of bone density is so obvious that oncologists have to address it for patients on anti-estrogen therapy.

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Profile picture for orsejr @orsejr

Yes that is the correct site. Oncologist use this site often. Anyone can use ONCOassist app. Go to Adjuvant tools and then go to breast cancer. Their results are pretty much the same as Predict.

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I personally don't use these sites. Their results are very different from my genomic tests. I am 7 years out from diagnosis anyway!

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@orsejr is this the Predict you were referring to?
https://breast.predict.nhs.uk/tool
I was looking at a different Predict tool! ONCOassist does say it is for professionals but maybe we can use it. I haven't downloaded it.

The Predict tool gives a much worse diagnosis for me than Oncotype, Breast Cancer Index or Prosigna Assay, which are all genomic tests using actual specimens from pathology. The Predict tool also shows marginal benefit from AI's, which also differs from the Oncotype but not the Breast Cancer Index.

The Predict tool goes by pathology results, which may be very different from the results from genomic tests. For instance, 30% of grade 3's have low Oncotypes.

I am glad I never look at the Predict tool. I have made it 7 years so far and an 83% chance of survival over 10 years, as the Predict tells me, would have caused a lot of anxiety.

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Yes that is the correct site. Oncologist use this site often. Anyone can use ONCOassist app. Go to Adjuvant tools and then go to breast cancer. Their results are pretty much the same as Predict.

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Profile picture for sequoia @sequoia

In situ is Non-infiltrating , Non-invasive. If cancer cells are outside the ducts then by definition it’s not ‘in-situ’. I don’t believe cancer can be a ‘little’ bit invasive. I know we want to believe that but using incorrect diagnosis is not fair to patient. I k ow things aren’t clear cut but how far from the duct do the cancers have to be to be considered stage 1A? Just askin’ because this type of information gets generated and picked up by others & then becomes the way of thinking. It’s not helping the patient by sugar coating & I k ow we all want to hear the lesser diagnosis. God Bless you all.

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I can only say the post-surgery biopsy of the tumor excised from me was described as DCIS-invasive. I agree it sounds like a contradiction in terms so maybe it's a sub-category that identifies the tumor location (and type, DCIS being the most common type of first-event breast cancer) and the fact that 'invasive' was the variable that made it a Stage 1A. Otherwise the size of the tumor would have made it a Stage 0. It was good news that it was so small with no lymph node involvement. Though I'd far rather there wasn't anything there to be found by a mammo in the first place...

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I have always been an active, healthy person. On vacation last summer, I noticed a lump growing quickly. On my 63 birthday I was diagnosed with IDC, with skin invasion and lymph node involvement. I was immediately put on A1 (anastrozole). I was on it six months with the hopes of shrinking my 98% estrogen/96% progesterone/HERT2 negative diagnosis. Thankfully, this shrank my tumor by 1/3 and reduced the size of my lymph nodes. In May I had a partial lumpectomy (3mm tumor) and lymph node dissection (5/10 positive). I am in the middle of 28 radiation treatments with 5 boosters.

I hate AI therapy. I have gone from a person that didn’t take any medicine to a person that is taking multiple medicines. I stopped taking my anastrozole for two weeks before my surgery and went back on after surgery. I have hot flashes, feel joint pain, get tired more easily, and other side effects. My oncologist has guided me through dealing with them.

I DID see that pre-surgery AI therapy made a big difference in my surgery outcome. With 1/3 shrinkage pre-surgery, my surgery was less invasive than originally expected. I have also focused on eating a plant based diet and have lost twenty pounds. My oncologist has stressed the importance of doing weigh bearing exercises, walking, and being active. She has told me I would probably be taking AI for 10+ years. I can’t say I am happily embracing AI therapy, but for me, I feel like I have the choice of AI therapy or cancer. I have gone from stage 3C breast cancer to currently being cancer free. I am going to fight to keep that diagnosis with every tool possible.

Three months into AI therapy, I was wallowing in depression when I realized that I have grandchildren age 2 and 8 and want to make memories with them and my children for many more years. I have no guarantee that will be possible, but I decided I am personally doing everything within my power to make it possible. I am eating healthier than ever, being as active each day as I can be, and making more memories. I am taking anastrozole and actively dealing with any side effect that comes along. It’s not perfect; however, I still feel in control, and it is a good choice for me.

Everyone has a different journey and factors influencing each aspect. The survivors with side effects usually are the most verbal and influence others that are reading these posts for advice and reassurance. I have taken anastrozole for almost a year and have had side effects. BUT, I dealing with whatever comes my way because I have already seen the positive side of AI therapy and would rather take them than have a higher chance of going through cancer treatment again.

When I was first diagnosed about a year ago, I would read others comments and get very anxious. From what I read, I was very concerned about AI therapy and anastrozole in particular. It does have side effects just like any other medicine that is available. However, it has made a big difference through my cancer journey so far. For others making choices, make the best choice for YOU and not based on other’s experience.

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It's very encouraging to read how the aromatase inhibitor made such a difference!

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Profile picture for callalloo @callalloo

I was told that a DCIS is invasive if cancer cells are not fully contained within the milk duct. But contained within the immediate area. I could have that wrong as, admittedly, the few weeks when the cancer was discovered and excised are a blur that led me reading medical studies and falling down repeater rabbit holes on Google Scholar. 😏

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In situ is Non-infiltrating , Non-invasive. If cancer cells are outside the ducts then by definition it’s not ‘in-situ’. I don’t believe cancer can be a ‘little’ bit invasive. I know we want to believe that but using incorrect diagnosis is not fair to patient. I k ow things aren’t clear cut but how far from the duct do the cancers have to be to be considered stage 1A? Just askin’ because this type of information gets generated and picked up by others & then becomes the way of thinking. It’s not helping the patient by sugar coating & I k ow we all want to hear the lesser diagnosis. God Bless you all.

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Profile picture for cindylb @cindylb

lluna57 - Sorry you're having the side effects too. This isn't scientific in any way but it seems if many breast cancers are hormone positive in some way then our hormones have been working overtime and by adding a pill that alters that yet again....side effects would be the result. I hope that someday research will begin on the hormone imbalance issues that may contribute to breast and ovarian cancers and all the other related maladies some women suffer. My whole life has been the 'poster child' of imbalanced hormones. I enjoy studying breast cancer, the drugs and their effects but there isn't enough information available to the public or patients on exactly how the AI's function. Also, I haven't gotten any detailed information from my doctors. I wonder what other functions those AI's perform to stop cancer and why they create the sometimes dramatic effects in many women.
I too had bones of steel at one point....ha ha. Now they are more like bones of tin perhaps, but only due to my natural hormone decline. The AI's hasten that demise in some way by removing estrogen and progesterone I guess. I do hear that the pain we experience from them goes away once you stop the drugs but I have also had my doctors say they'll just give you another pill to remedy the bone loss..........it's a sort of cascade of pills.
We all have to choose between the cancer and the side effects. I'm hopeful that the next generation of breast cancer patients will have more and better options.
I have my six month check up this Tuesday and I will try to get more information on the AI's and long term effect and perhaps more about how they work. I will share anything new I learn. If anyone else on here has more information, please share. I know I'd benefit from a clearer understanding of the meds and long term effects.
Hugs!!

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Your description is so right on! My primary doctor likened AI therapy and cancer treatment in general to a game of Jenga. Trying to balance the tower,removing and adding pieces and hoping it all doesn’t collapse.

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Profile picture for orsejr @orsejr

Anyone can use Predict Breast tool. Just plug in the information asked . It’s quite simple. There’s also an ONCOassist
App that will give you information about how beneficial hormone therapy is at 5,10 and 15 years

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@orsejr is this the Predict you were referring to?
https://breast.predict.nhs.uk/tool
I was looking at a different Predict tool! ONCOassist does say it is for professionals but maybe we can use it. I haven't downloaded it.

The Predict tool gives a much worse diagnosis for me than Oncotype, Breast Cancer Index or Prosigna Assay, which are all genomic tests using actual specimens from pathology. The Predict tool also shows marginal benefit from AI's, which also differs from the Oncotype but not the Breast Cancer Index.

The Predict tool goes by pathology results, which may be very different from the results from genomic tests. For instance, 30% of grade 3's have low Oncotypes.

I am glad I never look at the Predict tool. I have made it 7 years so far and an 83% chance of survival over 10 years, as the Predict tells me, would have caused a lot of anxiety.

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