Appointment with Dr. before surgery

Posted by animate @animate, 1 day ago

Hello,
I am scheduled for RAPL in 7 weeks from now. Since I first met the Urologist that will be performing the procedure, I have had 3 consultation appointments with him to review test results (PSA, MRI, Biopsy and CT-PSMA). During these appointments he broadly explained my situation and what outcomes we can expect from the procedure. On my last appointment, one week ago, he told me that there was no need to meet again before the procedure.

In recent days I have been reading so much information, in this forum and in several other sources, which raised the question of whether I should have had the Doctor explain to me in more detail what the odds of nerve sparing and damage to urinary functions are, based on the MRI images and biopsy report. I assume that he will be looking at all this to have “a plan” on surgery day but I wonder if I should ask him to explain to me what this plan is.

I would like to know, from experiences, did your Doctor go through the MRI images and Biopsy report details with you to explain the expected scenario and what he will be attempting? Also, did you have an appointment closer to surgery date to receive final indications before the procedure?

Thank you.

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You definitely need to speak to the doctor, even if it is in email, about the nerve sparing. I assume from what you’re saying that that was not discussed at any point.

You definitely want to get his point of view about whether he will be able to do that or if there are some complication that will make it a problem.

My prostatectomy was 15 years ago, so that was not even a consideration at that time.

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We had only 2 consultations. The first one was more of "second opinion" type and no details were discussed regarding procedure itself (how is it done ). We were advised to consult RO and also person who does focal therapy to consider all of the available options.

Our surgeon was out of office for 3 mos so we made app. for August - the first available date after his return. Second consultation was 7 days before surgery where we discussed nerve spearing and size of the prostate (it was really big) and how urethra will be attached back to the bladder neck, how is gland removed, possible lymph node recession, etc etc. So yes, he explained his plan and also possible obstacles and how they can be mitigated. At the same time we were informed that some things are seen only when he is "inside" and while looking through "microscope" probes and that plan can change if he discovers new findings.

Regarding ED and incontinence, one has to have in mind that it depends of so many other things than just surgeon's expertise. There are no guarantees there BUT in majority of cases those issues resolve with time. However, if nerves are not spared, problems with ED could be permanent. If your prostate is very big, it is very tricky to spare the neck as intact feature and than there could be problems with incontinence. Good surgeon knows how to fix shortened neck during surgery, for example. About 95% of patients regain full continence during the first year of recovery. ED needs up to 24 mos for recovery if nerves are spared.

So, the most important question is - do you have very experienced surgeon with over couple of thousands RARP procedures done ? If yes, you are probably in very good hands.

Wishing you super successful surgery and outstanding results 🍀🍀🍀👍

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You asked for our experiences with the surgeon before the surgery. I'm happy to share my experience with you, but I'm not suggesting you should do what I did, but rather I'm simply sharing my experience. That said, I only had one appointment with my surgeon before surgery, and it was a tele-visit. I had already researched him and the hospital so I had a lot of confidence in his technical ability and the quality of the hospital. (Speaking only for myself) I didn't feel I was in a position to really evaluate whatever he told me about how he was going to do the surgery, so I simply trusted the very high reputation of the surgeon and the hospital to do a high quality job performing the surgery. Nor did I ask him to go through the MRI or test results with me in detail, although we both referred to the results as we discussed what my condition and what he recommended regarding the surgery. But I should note that my biopsy and MRI indicated a single 3+4=7 lesion that appeared to be fully contained within the prostate, so my case was somewhat straightforward in my mind. Rather I focused the conversation on his evaluation of my suitability to have the surgery, my odds of being incontinent and/or having ED, and whether he thought he could spare the nerves (knowing things could change once he got in there). He answered all my questions, and with that I was ready to proceed. I first physically met him the morning of my surgery right before the surgery. I'm now at 14+ months and my recovery has exceeded my expectations. Again as I said above, I'm not suggesting this is the preferred level of communication with ones' surgeon beforehand, but rather this was my experience. Best wishes.

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There was no mention in your description of alternatives. After the procedure by 2 weeks penile injections have been recommended to prevent muscular atrophy. Apparently a shock to the system is often a cause of post surgical ED independent of the nerve sparing success.

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Animate:
I defer to the response by retireditguy.
It sounds to this layman that you are very naturally anxious about your diagnosis and treatment; and rightly so. My feeling is that you are "down in the weeds" a little bit.
I met once pre-op with my surgeon at Johns Hopkins and we did not not examine the biopsy results or PSMA scan results in any detail. I did ask for a JH review of the biopsy and PSMA scan, which were performed and interpreted at a different hospital.
I strongly suggest, since you have the time prior to surgery and clearly the interest in preparation, that you request a referral to a physical therapist who works with pelvic floor therapy and begin exercises for kegels and post-op urinary continence and begin that training pre-op. It was extremely helpful to me.
I focused on getting ready for surgery physically and mentally, which were activities somewhat under my control.
Best wishes for a successful surgery and recovery.

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Is the american urological association has a very nice state-of-the-art recommendations that surgeon should give to patients I did not get one and I don't have a link right now, but I think you could look it up. I think it's really good to read it. My surgeon kind of blew off incentive didn't spend much time on it, when the American urological association says the majority of men take up to 9 10 11 months.

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Is the american urological association has a very nice state-of-the-art recommendations that surgeon should give to patients I did not get one and I don't have a link right now, but I think you could look it up. I think it's really good to read it. My surgeon kind of blew off incentive didn't spend much time on it, when the American urological association says the majority of men take up to 9 10 11 months.

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I meant blue off inccontinence he told me lots of guys turn a corner in 2 or 3 months. He should not have told me that .so.e certainly do and I am happy for them. However the majority take much longer like me

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