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Anyone used Nattokinase for Frozen Shoulder?
I was diagnosed with Adhesive Capsulitis (Frozen Shoulder) about 14 months ago. After lot of reading, I believe that the Adhesive nature of the condition is caused by the deposition of Fibrin that forms a sticky layer between and around the joint. This results in a debilitating restriction of motion.
Inflammation of both the bicep tendon and the entire general area is also a result which gives me a great deal of pain.
Has anybody tried Nattokinase, which is a fibrinolytic enzyme, (or any other enzyme therapy) to break down the Fibrin and alleviate the inflammation.
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@jnwr Frozen Shoulder or Adhesive Capsulitis is such a painful and debilitating condition - the good news is that it can almost always be cured conservatively. The bad news is that the therapy hurts, and you may have to do it daily for months to get results.
Here is a recent report of multi-modal, non-surgical treatments and their effectiveness:
https://jrsonweb.com/wp-content/uploads/2024/12/Article_5_JRS-Jul-Dec-2024.pdf
While you have an interesting theory about the anti-fibrin effects of Nattokinase, how would you deliver it to the affected joint? I also find it interesting that even those evaluating alternative therapies have not made such a connection - even in Japan where it is widely consumed.
I believe that the Nattokinase should be taken on an empty stomach and nothing consumed for about an hour. This way, the Nattokinase is not exhausted in the food break down process but is then passed on to a stage whereby it it is absorbed into the blood stream.
You would have to study more about the metabolism of the Nattokinase and even whether it will get to the shoulder capsule - joint spaces have poor blood flow, so it is very different than working on fibrin in the blood cells and circulatory system.
Have you talked to a clinically trained Oriental Medicine Practitioner? If anyone would be familiar with this, I would guess they would.
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1 ReactionInteresting. Been suffering with this for years. Best mobility comes from daily exercise but nothing has thawed it out yet. Always have my eyes open for suggestions, the latest being RLT (red light therapy).
Thanks Sue,
The physical action of Shock Wave Treatment sounds interesting in that I guess it breaks up the fibrin which the body is then able to flush away in the synovial fluid during gentle exercise. I have also come across the description of a process whereby the fibrin is directly flushed away by a salt water preparation through the insertion of a needle.
I do apologize for the layman's description of such medical things and the lack of precise knowledge, but I am just some simple fellow wading through a lot of available information. The medical dictionary is my best friend.
From what I have read so far Nattokinase (and another one is Serrapeptase) do seem to be talked a lot about in terms of their anti-inflammatory effect. They are also very low on the toxicity scale (negligible). Therefore I will start taking a recommended dose of 4,000 units per day on an empty stomach and see what happens. I will post what happens in 3 months.
Thanks again to all.
Nattokinaise affects the fibrin in the bloodstream. It prevents blood clotting and possibly reduces formation of plaque and can lower blood pressure. It’s not recommended for someone who is taking a blood thinner or blood pressure lowering medicine. On recommendation from my Naturopathic physician, I have taken it for years on an empty stomach. It can affect health so probably important to check with a physician or Naturopath before taking it regularly.
I did have frozen shoulder about 12 years ago. An orthopedic surgeon explained that it takes six months of freezing, six months of frozen and six months of thawing, 18 month ordeal. And he was spot on. I had never heard of it, but then of course, many people I know had had it once it came to the forefront. That was the timeframe for them as well. I did go to physical therapy briefly. It was painful and I don’t think it would’ve changed anything about the outcome. I gained full range of motion after 18 months. All the best to you.
Curious as to what RLT (Red Light Therapy) would do for a frozen shoulder. Been hearing a lot about that lately. Think I'll wait awhile and follow the research and recommendations by people who utilize it for awhile before I make such a big investment. Very interested in it though. Could possibly benefit all family members as well as myself. IF anyone has had any experience with RLT please post your progress, thoughts, improvements, etc. Would be much appreciated!
Way outside my realm of knowledge, but if you search Mayo Connect, the topic has come up a number of times. Just be sure you are dealing with medical grade equipment, not any kind of online promo. The wrong kinds of light can burn you. Some PT's may use it in their practice - mine does not.
Yes, amen. Research needed!