How much weight lifting is required to build bone?

Posted by cahabagirl @cahabagirl, May 28, 2023

After a full year of weekly Osteostrong sessions, my T scores remained the same: spine -1.7, right hip -1.5, and left hip -1.3. While I’m glad that the scores were no worse, I decided that it wasn’t worth the expense. My physician told me that I can increase my bone density with weightlifting even at the age of 73. I am 5’7” and weigh 122 lbs.
So, I’ve joined a nice fitness center at a fraction of the cost and signed up for a personal trainer for 6 months.

At our first session, I told the trainer that I want to build bone, and I’m training twice a week. We started with low weights and he has me increase the weights each time. He told me that I am likely to see an increase in weight due to the building of muscles. I admit that after only 5 sessions, I like the changes I’m seeing but I don’t want to look like a bodybuilder and certainly don’t want to have to buy a new wardrobe.
My question is how does one determine how much weight will build bone? I assume that amount would vary depending on each person’s physique. If so, how does one calculate that?

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@awfultruth

I guess it's rather late to be commenting on this thread but I hadn't noticed it before. On exercise and how much resistance to use I keep encouraging people to look at the three LIFTMOR trials. They are in my opinion the best studies done using exercise with heavy resistance to build bone. The studies appear to be well done and they get significant gains with their protocol. One of the trials compared the LIFTMOR protocol to a Bio-Density machine (like OsteoStrong). LIFTMOR did better. You can search in this forum for some discussion of this and the studies are all available on the internet. Plus the lead researcher Belinda Beck has interviews and the like on Youtube and other websites. Best of luck

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With the help of a trainer I am working up to the regime described in the LIFTMOR protocol. If you are inexperienced with weights as I was, there is a need to lay down a foundation first. The squat and overhead press are technical moves and must be mastered before more weight is added to prevent injury. 80-85% of the one rep max, 5 x for 5 sets will be challenging for me, but I am very committed to this.
We anticipate implementing the full LIFTMOR program by mid-February.

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@cahabagirl

@raven12, there is some good information in this thread, so scroll through. It takes 'force' to build bone...there are several suggestions for that. And, as we go forward, we all need to share what seems to work for us and what doesn't.

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Thx

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@jasperina

With the help of a trainer I am working up to the regime described in the LIFTMOR protocol. If you are inexperienced with weights as I was, there is a need to lay down a foundation first. The squat and overhead press are technical moves and must be mastered before more weight is added to prevent injury. 80-85% of the one rep max, 5 x for 5 sets will be challenging for me, but I am very committed to this.
We anticipate implementing the full LIFTMOR program by mid-February.

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@jasperina ,thank you. I need to do some research locally to see if there are any trainers anywhere near me who are familiar with LIFTMOR.

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@cahabagirl

@jasperina ,thank you. I need to do some research locally to see if there are any trainers anywhere near me who are familiar with LIFTMOR.

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My trainer was not initially, but I gave her a copy of the LIFTMOR study and she read it. She also ordered the Keith McCormick books to educate herself.

This forum has been a great source of information to me. My medical provider just said, ‘ take Fosomax, calcium and vit D’ and that was that - no education or talk of alternatives or complementary therapies.

So I’ve been in search of natural ways to build back bone strength.
When I see a reference to something here that sounds intriguing, I google it and find out more. This is a great group with a lot of resources to share and I appreciate it.

Best of luck to you on your journey to find a trainer or PT who will work with you😊

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@jasperina

My trainer was not initially, but I gave her a copy of the LIFTMOR study and she read it. She also ordered the Keith McCormick books to educate herself.

This forum has been a great source of information to me. My medical provider just said, ‘ take Fosomax, calcium and vit D’ and that was that - no education or talk of alternatives or complementary therapies.

So I’ve been in search of natural ways to build back bone strength.
When I see a reference to something here that sounds intriguing, I google it and find out more. This is a great group with a lot of resources to share and I appreciate it.

Best of luck to you on your journey to find a trainer or PT who will work with you😊

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Thank you for being so encouraging!

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@jasperina

With the help of a trainer I am working up to the regime described in the LIFTMOR protocol. If you are inexperienced with weights as I was, there is a need to lay down a foundation first. The squat and overhead press are technical moves and must be mastered before more weight is added to prevent injury. 80-85% of the one rep max, 5 x for 5 sets will be challenging for me, but I am very committed to this.
We anticipate implementing the full LIFTMOR program by mid-February.

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That's great Jasperina. And glad to hear you are being careful and thoughtful with this. Learning the proper form and technique is vital. Myself, I really have to keep my body awareness and focus thru each exercise otherwise I can end up with a strain or muscle spasm. Maybe most people don't have to be that exacting but that's how it is for me. I'm currently not doing 80-85% as my spine is a -4 and I'm just afraid to go that high. Hopefully I'll get good gains with Evenity and feel safe to slowly raise the weights I use. For now I'm increasing reps and varying sets and reps in the hopes that while not ideal it may partially substitute for the heavier weights. Best of luck to you.

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@1margot

So you weigh 123 pounds. Nice. Our 4.2 is right, but thank you for catching LIFT! With osteoporosis we do NOT LIFT that weight. Both yoga for osteoporosis and OSTEOstrong have us use safe PRESSURE to stimulate bones--with excellent back posture. Yoga has us hold a posture--with a straight back--that is a stretch or twist to pressure/stimulate bones. Always in control. OSTEOstrong has machines with handles or plates that we press on with our arms or legs at a precise angle. And the machine measures the pounds of pressure. My first visit, I pressed 630 pounds with my legs (4.8%+). My arms and core did only 1.5-2.6. Yes, do not lift.

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Hi Margo,
I was considering joining Osteo strong, are you still a member, did you get any positive results? I guess I'm asking does it work?

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@wakefield

Hi Margo,
I was considering joining Osteo strong, are you still a member, did you get any positive results? I guess I'm asking does it work?

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I attended one session of OsteoStrong in La Jolla and had a good experience. I liked being able to measure what I press, and their machines measure the press and print it out for you. The staff were nice and friendly, and they offered a free chance to stand in a tiny room with red light or do one of two other choices.
BUT (1) I pressed so hard I got nauseated (and found out later that is simply overdoing). (2) They have you stand on the Whole Body Vibration Machine for only three minutes to "warm up" before pressing. (3) The super-nice trainer is not a PT or trained beyond what I learned by researching online. (4) I'd spend more time driving to Osteo than exercising. (5) It's expensive. (6) I work with a superb PT for all my overexercising injuries.
CONCLUSION: I do my own "OsteoStrong" session every Wednesday at home--the routine they use: upper, core, legs, leg adductors, and Whole Body Vibration, but I stand 10 minutes on my own whole body vibration machine. I don't get to measure what I'm pressing, and I have to improvise. For my leg work, I'm now lying under our piano and pushing it up with my feet! I'm rocking the piano on its back wheels until it hits the wall, so it's not technically LIFTING. It's hard to find something we can press our hardest on without breaking it and injuring ourself.
I've done 33 weeks straight.
I'm also doing Dr. Fishman's 12 Yoga Poses for Osteoporosis every day. Kendra Fitzgerald leads excellent-back-posture poses online in various videos. (Find your favorite.) I do see that yoga stresses bones in ways that should logically trigger natural bone growth. And it builds posture.
My last Dexascan showed my bone density stayed precisely the same for two years, with only the whole body vibration machine no more often than three times a week, plus ballet and running. (Doing whole body vibration every day for 10+ minutes trashed my joints from ankles to shoulders. But they healed.)
Thank you all for our community of caring, information, and inspiration.

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@1margot

I attended one session of OsteoStrong in La Jolla and had a good experience. I liked being able to measure what I press, and their machines measure the press and print it out for you. The staff were nice and friendly, and they offered a free chance to stand in a tiny room with red light or do one of two other choices.
BUT (1) I pressed so hard I got nauseated (and found out later that is simply overdoing). (2) They have you stand on the Whole Body Vibration Machine for only three minutes to "warm up" before pressing. (3) The super-nice trainer is not a PT or trained beyond what I learned by researching online. (4) I'd spend more time driving to Osteo than exercising. (5) It's expensive. (6) I work with a superb PT for all my overexercising injuries.
CONCLUSION: I do my own "OsteoStrong" session every Wednesday at home--the routine they use: upper, core, legs, leg adductors, and Whole Body Vibration, but I stand 10 minutes on my own whole body vibration machine. I don't get to measure what I'm pressing, and I have to improvise. For my leg work, I'm now lying under our piano and pushing it up with my feet! I'm rocking the piano on its back wheels until it hits the wall, so it's not technically LIFTING. It's hard to find something we can press our hardest on without breaking it and injuring ourself.
I've done 33 weeks straight.
I'm also doing Dr. Fishman's 12 Yoga Poses for Osteoporosis every day. Kendra Fitzgerald leads excellent-back-posture poses online in various videos. (Find your favorite.) I do see that yoga stresses bones in ways that should logically trigger natural bone growth. And it builds posture.
My last Dexascan showed my bone density stayed precisely the same for two years, with only the whole body vibration machine no more often than three times a week, plus ballet and running. (Doing whole body vibration every day for 10+ minutes trashed my joints from ankles to shoulders. But they healed.)
Thank you all for our community of caring, information, and inspiration.

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Hello,
Which vibration plate are you using?

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@1margot

I attended one session of OsteoStrong in La Jolla and had a good experience. I liked being able to measure what I press, and their machines measure the press and print it out for you. The staff were nice and friendly, and they offered a free chance to stand in a tiny room with red light or do one of two other choices.
BUT (1) I pressed so hard I got nauseated (and found out later that is simply overdoing). (2) They have you stand on the Whole Body Vibration Machine for only three minutes to "warm up" before pressing. (3) The super-nice trainer is not a PT or trained beyond what I learned by researching online. (4) I'd spend more time driving to Osteo than exercising. (5) It's expensive. (6) I work with a superb PT for all my overexercising injuries.
CONCLUSION: I do my own "OsteoStrong" session every Wednesday at home--the routine they use: upper, core, legs, leg adductors, and Whole Body Vibration, but I stand 10 minutes on my own whole body vibration machine. I don't get to measure what I'm pressing, and I have to improvise. For my leg work, I'm now lying under our piano and pushing it up with my feet! I'm rocking the piano on its back wheels until it hits the wall, so it's not technically LIFTING. It's hard to find something we can press our hardest on without breaking it and injuring ourself.
I've done 33 weeks straight.
I'm also doing Dr. Fishman's 12 Yoga Poses for Osteoporosis every day. Kendra Fitzgerald leads excellent-back-posture poses online in various videos. (Find your favorite.) I do see that yoga stresses bones in ways that should logically trigger natural bone growth. And it builds posture.
My last Dexascan showed my bone density stayed precisely the same for two years, with only the whole body vibration machine no more often than three times a week, plus ballet and running. (Doing whole body vibration every day for 10+ minutes trashed my joints from ankles to shoulders. But they healed.)
Thank you all for our community of caring, information, and inspiration.

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Ballet!? Do you go to an actual class? I am trying to get back into ballet but i just do little internet things I can find. I am thinking the jumping and 1 legged lifts should help a lot.

I have the LifePro Rumblex 4D & don’t know what setting is safe so don’t use it anymore.

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