Has anyone had Paget's disease of the vulva?

Posted by chaka67 @chaka67, Apr 18, 2023

I am about to have my 6th vulva surgery for Paget's of the vulva in less than 10 years. That means for about a month after surgery I cannot drive, sit or walk, & I am the my husband's caregiver.
I also had a mastectomy 10 years ago, but was told they were unrelated. Also unrelated is any support for Paget's disease. They have marches for breast cancer. Yet I have never met someone with Paget's. Even this message box underlines the word Paget's as if I am misspelling the word!!

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@lrcg My cancer is Paget’s of the vulva. It is HPV driven and invasive. I go to Karmanos Cancer Institute in Lansing, MI. I see Dr Jayson Field. He is a gynecologic oncologist. He is a professor of Obstetrics, Gynecology and Reproductive Biology at Michigan State University. He is also the director of the Division Gynecologic Oncology. If you Google him you will find more information.
I had a radical vulvectomy with sentinel lymph node removal. No radiation or chemotherapy. I am now cancer free. Because it is invasive it could turn up in another area but I don’t think about that often. I have checkups every 3 months.
I am 67 years old. Recovering from the surgery wasn’t a piece of cake, but I am glad I had it.

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@ima1survivor

Hormones: My lesions reappeared during each of my 3 pregnancies. 1st pregnancy: immediately after delivery, and was clearing up at first follow up.
2nd pregnancy: lesions returned immediately after delivery, biopsies at first follow-up. Results dismissed as ‘too rare’ and ‘a mistake at the lab’. 3rd pregnancy: lesions appeared within first 3 months..differences were that I was working long hours, drinking a lot of milk at work, gained twice as much weight, and was wearing lycra pantyhose and sitting in a cigarette smoke-filled office. Incredible stress at work and home were probably contributing factors. My beloved gynecologist/obstetrician confessed that this was obviously out of his realm of expertise and got me into see Dr Raymond Kaufman, Dean of Baylor Medical School. He was old-school sharpened bamboo, shave off thin layers from his wheel-chair wonderful. He warned me that continuing the pregnancy was dangerous for me, but that the baby would be unaffected if I survived to full term. Worst lesions ever, excruciating pain. Deep biopsies performed on delivery table immediately after birth of my son. Spinal block lasted 2 days, returned home to recover and prepare to be gone to Houston for 2 to 3 weeks. An angel for our church cared for my family. Dr. Kaufman did the surgery at Texas Children’s Hospital..making it impossible for me to feel sorry for myself while babies were braving bigger battles. I was out in 11 days instead of 21. The aftercare at home was intense, and I busted a staple while lifting my baby, but it was all survivable. We lived 3 hours from Houston, so I had to just ‘figure it out’. At age 32, they gave me a topical testosterone oil to apply directly to the surgical area..just to try it. Their theory was that if this cancer was triggered by hormones, it might subside with a higher testosterone level. I developed anger issues, so I stopped using it. They told me that I was in early menopause, and were hoping that my cancer would be less aggressive and more manageable. Symptoms were in steady decline after 1987 birth of last baby and tubal ligation at age 31, and at age 39 I had a hysterectomy in 1995. At age 46, I had a final major surgery, but left Tulane hospital in New Orleans after 3 days. Prayers work. I’ve been OK since.

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I have not commented lately because I felt that I had offered all that I could about my Paget's journey, but my heart goes out to you with your bravery with dealing with this horrible disease with young children.
My only new offering at this time is that my Dr. is Namita Khanna at Emory in Atlanta. Her only offering has been surgery, but my research suggests that is the best bet for Paget's at this time. I called Mayo & discussed my situation with the kind person who answered & she agreed that Mayo had nothing more to offer, but of course I was welcome to come. Early on I went to 2 other gynecological oncologists with no other ideas. Dr. Khanna is professional & empathetic & most importantly, a good listener. I have had 6 surgeries with no invasions into lymph nodes so far. I go every 3 months. I would NOT go to a PA for this disease.
Last note: Emory is a teaching hospital & I see, in addition to Dr. Khanna, nurses, medical students, residents, those seeking fellowships, etc with each visit. Dr. Khanna & I agree that over the last 10 years I have helped to educate at least 100 medical personnel about Paget's.

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@chaka67

I have not commented lately because I felt that I had offered all that I could about my Paget's journey, but my heart goes out to you with your bravery with dealing with this horrible disease with young children.
My only new offering at this time is that my Dr. is Namita Khanna at Emory in Atlanta. Her only offering has been surgery, but my research suggests that is the best bet for Paget's at this time. I called Mayo & discussed my situation with the kind person who answered & she agreed that Mayo had nothing more to offer, but of course I was welcome to come. Early on I went to 2 other gynecological oncologists with no other ideas. Dr. Khanna is professional & empathetic & most importantly, a good listener. I have had 6 surgeries with no invasions into lymph nodes so far. I go every 3 months. I would NOT go to a PA for this disease.
Last note: Emory is a teaching hospital & I see, in addition to Dr. Khanna, nurses, medical students, residents, those seeking fellowships, etc with each visit. Dr. Khanna & I agree that over the last 10 years I have helped to educate at least 100 medical personnel about Paget's.

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Accutane helped a lot, but I could only take it for 90 days, then lay off for 6 months. The manufacturer let me have it at cost and shipped it directly to my Dr.. I don’t know if any follow-up research was done.

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@juju67

@lrcg My cancer is Paget’s of the vulva. It is HPV driven and invasive. I go to Karmanos Cancer Institute in Lansing, MI. I see Dr Jayson Field. He is a gynecologic oncologist. He is a professor of Obstetrics, Gynecology and Reproductive Biology at Michigan State University. He is also the director of the Division Gynecologic Oncology. If you Google him you will find more information.
I had a radical vulvectomy with sentinel lymph node removal. No radiation or chemotherapy. I am now cancer free. Because it is invasive it could turn up in another area but I don’t think about that often. I have checkups every 3 months.
I am 67 years old. Recovering from the surgery wasn’t a piece of cake, but I am glad I had it.

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I have never heard or read of HPV driven. Never have had it but have Pagets

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@chaka67

Very typical. In fact, depending on infections, slow wound healing, how extensive the surgery, could be longer than a month. So sorry to hear about your diagnosis, but happy to communicate with another person with this diagnosis. As you are learning, no one out there who understands.
I just completed my sixth surgery May 2. Unfortunately, no clear margins, so my journey continues until/unless becomes invasive which would put me on a worse path. Sadly, no cure, no hope for research because so rare.
Good news is that some surgeries' healing time better than others, and I have returned to normal activities each time. Return to wearing skirts again while healing & carrying pillows with me everywhere.
Good luck. May I ask your geographic location? No need to be specific: North, South, Europe, etc. Thanks.

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At MD Anderson they told me they don't recommend surgery because it keeps coming back. I have used Imiquimode cream and it has not contained it. I just had 5 biopsies which were deep and waiting for the results. I just read the horrible results from radiation. I don't see much through here that gives any hope. I am added to a group of rare cancers at MD Anderson but it is just collection.
I just read that someone said that this is conected to HPV? I have never read it. I was tested and negative despite clean history and have had CATS, etc. for discovery of mets.
No story here is hopeful. You seem very positive. I live in the North midwest. I am not sure how much of this I am anxious to try when nothing is working.

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@chaka67

As I have been sharing info about Paget's of vulva in private messaging with another member, I have realized that there is so much I have learned over nearly 10 years and 6 vulva surgeries that I would like to share with anyone with a gynecological cancer. So here goes:
1. Do not be timid or ashamed. I would gladly share everything I know with anyone who would listen. If people are unaware, especially medical folks, you have to educate them, & be your own advocate. Always take someone with you to appointments if you can & take notes & ask questions! And do your own research! We are blessed to be living in the age of the internet. Use it.
2. There is a medication called imiquimod cream to use in lieu of vulva surgery for Paget's, for those who opt to not have surgery. Some folks have had good luck with that. I tried it for awhile & found it to be difficult to tolerate: burning & itching. But I might consider it again when I'm told I need another surgery.
3. Paget's vulva surgery is not a "once & done" surgery like appendix removal. For no rhyme or reason, it continues to return. So consider carefully the big picture of how your choices effect the quality of your remaining years. The profile for getting Paget's cancer is white, 65-75 yr, female. Always exceptions, of course.
For example, a male oncologist wanted to perform a "radical" vulvectomy, which included removing my clitoris, & he could "reconstruct" that for me if I wanted. I sought a 2nd opinion. I know it is just a body part, and if I thought it would save my life, I suppose I would consent, but this surgery is already mutilating, & so I prefer to keep as much of my body in tact while I can. And there are no studies I a have found that support any more success in eliminating Paget's with a radical rather than a partial or even a simple vulvectomy. I don't regret that decision.
Thanks for listening. Hope some of this is relevant to someone.

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Good to hear because I went to MD Anderson after dx in Dec, 22. I have ussed Imiquimod since then and as you said the itching and burning was difficult. I now have a couple of new lesions and my Oncologist just did 5 bx under general...deep and stitches. I am 5 days post and am waiting for bx results and further information. MD said surgery can be done but does not cure. I just read someone did radiation and it sounds horrible. I am in a pool of rare cancers there but no research at this time. When I first read about this they said the cause is really unknown but read someone said HPV driven, Nope...but they did do CATS, tested for it, colonoscopy, etc. All were negative except for the bx. I appreciate hearing your story. All information helps even if we don't want to hear it!!!

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@chaka67

Relief to have drains gone. I had them with my mastectomy. Could enjoy my shower afterward. Simple joys help.
Doesn’t remove pain & anxiety though, but you sound relatively calm. I applaud you.
Could be dumb question, but what will they radiate? You had clear margins, I believe, & Paget’s skin removed in surgery. Did lymph nodes indicate metastic location? Fortunately for me, after 10 years, I seem breast cancer free. I go to oncologist on October 10 after my last vulva surgery on May 2. No clear margins then. Not sure what comes next. Going to try using Aldara cream again. Not up for more surgery this soon.
Take care. I’m trying to enjoy each day, especially the lovely Fall weather here in Southern US.
BTW: Ignore any questions that you don’t wish to share. I wish you all the best.

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You are right about the pain and anxiety. Thinking of having this for the rest of your life is difficult since they give no hope for treatment at all. The problem is the area is a walking, sitting, sleeping area and the irritation of it never stops. Never a clear margin it seems. I wonder what decision is the best with hope and it isn't with anyone here. I did read a few people have tried alternative things like the lung cancer patient who developed a routine with the dog worm medication. I do know a few ovarian cancer women who are doing it now. How can we fly people to space, want to live on Mars and no one seem to understand this disease?? You are indeed a trouper! Good for you!

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@janeellenmc When I got the results from my biopsies, it said invasive Paget’s. The doctor said it was HPV driven and I remember reading that it was but can’t remember where as I was doing a lot of reading about Paget’s when I was first diagnosed.
I am negative for HPV.

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Hello,
I have recently been diagnosed with EMPD of the vulva. I am scheduled for a partial vulvectomy , but I am seeking out a second opinion first. This has all been too rushed. I started with an intermittent itch the summer of 2022. Last summer, I visited my gynecologist. She thought it was contact dermatitis. She gave me hydrocortisone cream. It helped at first, but the intermittent itching continued. In December, I went to her for a pap, and we decided a biopsy was in order. The next thing I knew, I was scheduled to meet an oncologist/gynecologist. The surgery was scheduled. Meanwhile, I have researched and joined a group called myempd. Go visit the website myempd.com. The people in the group have all experienced empd. It is NOT hpv driven. No one knows why it occurs! Good luck to you! I hope you find your answers!
Victoria

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@victoria15

Hello,
I have recently been diagnosed with EMPD of the vulva. I am scheduled for a partial vulvectomy , but I am seeking out a second opinion first. This has all been too rushed. I started with an intermittent itch the summer of 2022. Last summer, I visited my gynecologist. She thought it was contact dermatitis. She gave me hydrocortisone cream. It helped at first, but the intermittent itching continued. In December, I went to her for a pap, and we decided a biopsy was in order. The next thing I knew, I was scheduled to meet an oncologist/gynecologist. The surgery was scheduled. Meanwhile, I have researched and joined a group called myempd. Go visit the website myempd.com. The people in the group have all experienced empd. It is NOT hpv driven. No one knows why it occurs! Good luck to you! I hope you find your answers!
Victoria

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On January 18, I had Moh’s Surgery on my vulva. It took 4 stages, but I was left with clear margins. All the scouting biopsies done the week before revealed all negative for EMPD except the original. Hopefully, it is gone and won’t return though there is a 5% chance it will. Feb 1, I go for a CT scan with dye to make sure there are no underlying malignancies. Then I hope to put this behind me.

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