I feel incredibly hopeless.

Posted by morganjane @morganjane, Dec 17, 2023

I’ve lost 4 years of my life that I can never get back due to this “illness” that nobody can seem to figure out. Like many of you out there, I’ve encountered some of the coldest & most dismissive doctors out there. The lack of compassion from some of these physicians has truly bothered me. I’ve gotten the ole “barely do any actual research & slap the fibromyalgia diagnosis on it to get her out of my office” shtick more times than I’d like to admit. I’m exhausted. I can’t afford to go to a fancy medical center. I live in Arkansas & we have very few specialists & they all have pretty poor reviews. So I’ll put my symptoms out there in hopes someone runs across this one day & is like “oh hey, I know exactly what that is!”

I want to just preface that I’m in no way nor have I ever been a hypochondriac. I don’t sit & dwell on my health. The only reason I’m so concerned right now is because my health got too bad to ignore.
I’m 32 years old. Female. All of these symptoms began almost 4 years ago out of the blue. No known trigger, I was happy, healthy, very active & fit. It’s literally like I woke up one day & felt like crap & it never went away. Its left me bedridden most days. Had to quit working as an Esthetician & work from home. I’m truly MISERABLE.

SYMPTOMS:
-Debilitating Fatigue *Severe
-Brain Fog *Severe
-Memory loss
-Cognitive impairment *Severe
-Facial flushing *Severe
-Zero energy
-Feeling like I’m wearing a necklace that is too tight & can hear the blood rushing in my ears
-Body feels like it’s vibrating when I lay down sometimes
-Excessive sweating
-Exercise Intolerance
-Always hot *Any sort of physical exertion makes me feel like I’m going to overheat or pass out. ie. washing dishes, fixing my hair, showering, etc.
-Dry skin on entire body *Severe
-Dry eye syndrome *Severe
-Dry mouth
-Dry sinuses with super sticky snot
Basically my entire body is dry from the inside out.
-Keratosis Pilaris on lower legs caused by the dry skin
-Frequent canker sores
-High blood pressure
-High cholesterol
-Raynaud’s Syndrome *Toes & fingers. Mother also has this condition.
-Livedo reticularis on limbs when cold
-Rapid weight gain *About 20lbs in 1 year.
-Depression *This is a symptom, NOT the cause.
-Chronic pain in joints
-Frequent severe headaches on one side of the head, towards the front
-Fingers or feet swell & turn red/warm
-Ridged, brittle fingernails
-Red vertical line down big toenail
-Hair loss
-Frequent infections
-Gum Disease
-Rapid tooth decay
-Dark scarring
-Heart palpitations
-Insomnia *Severe
-Arthritis *Knees, hips, spine, ankles
-Urine Hesitancy
-Heat intolerance
-Either no period or it’s extremely light and only lasts about 1 day
-Depleted Estrogen & Progesterone *They were brought up with BC pills but no idea WHY they were depleted
-Constant crying
-Constipation *I have ibs-c but the c has gotten significantly worse.
-Tachycardia *This is constant. Mother also has this condition.
-Cravings for carbs & sweets constantly
-Nose runs with physical exertion
-Enlarged lymph nodes in armpits that get bigger & very sore around the time of my period even if I don’t actually have my period

All of the labs that have been done are because I requested them. All labs have come back normal aside from the high cholesterol & the high blood cortisol. The saliva & 24 hour urine cortisol tests were normal.
I have a thyroid nodule that they said just needs to be monitored annually.
Brain scan was normal.
I’ve had the normal blood work for thyroid & ANA which were normal.

I honestly feel like I probably have a fairly normal condition but I can’t get a doctor to give me enough time during the visit to actually get anywhere and I’m sick of being told it’s probably just fibromyalgia or in my head. ITS NOT.

H E L P 🏳️

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in reply to @morganjane I am so sorry about your predicament. I found this article for you this morning, it is really rather enlightening, and probably for many of us
https://medium.com/@jhousehay/just-start-over-2ab8f6399fb6

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Unfortunately the modern medical model is broken. After fifteen years of countless tests, doctors visits and complete loss of my physical and mental health, along with the loss of my family and my freedom I somehow decided to try to figure out what was wrong with me.

It sounds overly simple but I just started Googling my symptoms, diagnosis, treatments and medications. I was horrified at how readily available the information and answers to my questions were and are. I have a great deal of experience doing research, (I owned an investment management firm for twenty years) but I didn't need any experience. The answers were right there. First page Google search.

In the investment business companies hide things. Digging is hard and requires a lot of experience to separate the nonsense from the actionable. Healthcare research is different. The information is everywhere. Yes, one needs to separate the biased from the unbiased but that is fairly easy.

If the research is sponsored by an entity that has a profit or political motive I reject it. One place to be careful is the FDA. The FDA does little to no research of their own. They get their data from Big Pharma and then decide based on that information. The FDA is a political organization. I give little credit to anything that comes from them. Doctors do, so I sometimes reference the FDA when I approach my providers.

In my experience most providers do little to no independent research, they do not have the time even if they were so inclined. Most providers know what the drug companies tell them. The exception does seem to be healthcare associated with teaching hospitals or institutions like Mayo Clinic that have a long history of public service.

I was dying from a host of physical and mental ailments.

As a result of the treatment and medications I was on I am completely disabled so I have the time. And no one is more motivated to ease my suffering than me. After spending the month of July doing research I went to my providers with what I found and told them what I wanted. Yeah, I ruffled a few feathers but after a little resistance they actually seemed relieved that someone was taking charge.

I am certain had this not happened I would be dead by now, probably by my own hand.

I am not out of the woods yet, but my trajectory is upward and I continue to make course corrections when necessary. I am well enough to have started a company providing research to other sufferers and their provider's. But you don't need me. No one does. No one is more motivated then the person who is suffering. All you need is an internet connection and the ability to read.

Would I prefer to have checked in to Mayo Clinic and let them work their magic? Sure! Unfortunately that is not an option for most people given the state of healthcare in the United States. It is imperative that I manage my providers. The days when I just do what they tell me are gone.

As an example two weeks ago I talked to my psychiatric provider about the fact that my sleep is all messed up from the meds I've been on. The very first thing she did was offer me two new sleep meds. I told her I would like to to do my own research before I take anything. No surprise, first page Google search turned up a page from Mayo Clinic clearly stating that the recommended sleep meds should not be taken with two other medications my provider knows I am on. This was easy validated by the second and third results.

Overworked, unconscious, medical providers along with my own negligence took everyone and everything that ever mattered to me away. No more! I need doctors to bounce my ideas off of, write prescriptions and order tests, other than that I am my primary care provider. No one else really knows what's going on with me anyway. The don't have the time.

You clearly have something systemic going on. I am not qualified to tell you what that is. But you are.

For what it's worth I believe you! I've been there too.

I wish you good health and peace.

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Very sorry you’re having so many problems and not getting help.
Reading all of your symptoms my mind went to the late 80’s and my cousin.
My cousin was a bodybuilder and avid hunter when suddenly his entire life changed drastically nearly overnight.
He spent 7 years going to doctors and they all credited his symptoms to steroid use…
One day he happened to see a talk show about lymes disease and his symptoms (many as you described) fit the description. He also remembered a small bullseye bite mark (tick bite)he got on the leg while deer hunting.
They had a 1-800# to call and he made the call. He was referred to a specialist and sure enough 7 years of doctors, bloodwork etc and none of them caught the disease!
The specialist instructed him to bring all records to the first visit. His bloodwork for the past 7 years revealed lymes and none of them caught it!

Have you been checked for lymes or any toxins (mold or chemical)?

Wishing you the best outcome.

MOJO

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I've been feeling sorry for myself all morning. The next test because there is ALWAYS a next test, which they seem to feel is urgent, can't get me in for 6 months so I'm pouting this morning and frustrated and wanting to JUST GIVE UP. ..give up on doctors and the fight of insurance and all of it. Then I read your post. We share about 95% of our symptoms. I've been bouncing between doctors and tests and misinformation and ' I think it's stress let's give you meds' or 'it must be fibro, you should exercise more' since the 2006. Eventually the body gets tired of not being listened to and it begins to get louder, so over the past year I started having non epileptic seizures, mini strokes (TIAs) and bruising up and down my spine without any kind of traumatic event. Yet no solutions from doctors. I had the opportunity to do a in depth Lyme test and my physician said yesterday he doesn't really believe in Lyme so refused to draw blood. My gastroenterologist a few weeks ago said that food intolerance has nothing to do with Gastro issues. What has happened to our system? When did it become this broken? I absolutely hurt FOR you because I am where you are and it sucks. But no matter what we have to step out one more day and have hope. Because Hope and Faith are all we have right now.

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@dfb

Unfortunately the modern medical model is broken. After fifteen years of countless tests, doctors visits and complete loss of my physical and mental health, along with the loss of my family and my freedom I somehow decided to try to figure out what was wrong with me.

It sounds overly simple but I just started Googling my symptoms, diagnosis, treatments and medications. I was horrified at how readily available the information and answers to my questions were and are. I have a great deal of experience doing research, (I owned an investment management firm for twenty years) but I didn't need any experience. The answers were right there. First page Google search.

In the investment business companies hide things. Digging is hard and requires a lot of experience to separate the nonsense from the actionable. Healthcare research is different. The information is everywhere. Yes, one needs to separate the biased from the unbiased but that is fairly easy.

If the research is sponsored by an entity that has a profit or political motive I reject it. One place to be careful is the FDA. The FDA does little to no research of their own. They get their data from Big Pharma and then decide based on that information. The FDA is a political organization. I give little credit to anything that comes from them. Doctors do, so I sometimes reference the FDA when I approach my providers.

In my experience most providers do little to no independent research, they do not have the time even if they were so inclined. Most providers know what the drug companies tell them. The exception does seem to be healthcare associated with teaching hospitals or institutions like Mayo Clinic that have a long history of public service.

I was dying from a host of physical and mental ailments.

As a result of the treatment and medications I was on I am completely disabled so I have the time. And no one is more motivated to ease my suffering than me. After spending the month of July doing research I went to my providers with what I found and told them what I wanted. Yeah, I ruffled a few feathers but after a little resistance they actually seemed relieved that someone was taking charge.

I am certain had this not happened I would be dead by now, probably by my own hand.

I am not out of the woods yet, but my trajectory is upward and I continue to make course corrections when necessary. I am well enough to have started a company providing research to other sufferers and their provider's. But you don't need me. No one does. No one is more motivated then the person who is suffering. All you need is an internet connection and the ability to read.

Would I prefer to have checked in to Mayo Clinic and let them work their magic? Sure! Unfortunately that is not an option for most people given the state of healthcare in the United States. It is imperative that I manage my providers. The days when I just do what they tell me are gone.

As an example two weeks ago I talked to my psychiatric provider about the fact that my sleep is all messed up from the meds I've been on. The very first thing she did was offer me two new sleep meds. I told her I would like to to do my own research before I take anything. No surprise, first page Google search turned up a page from Mayo Clinic clearly stating that the recommended sleep meds should not be taken with two other medications my provider knows I am on. This was easy validated by the second and third results.

Overworked, unconscious, medical providers along with my own negligence took everyone and everything that ever mattered to me away. No more! I need doctors to bounce my ideas off of, write prescriptions and order tests, other than that I am my primary care provider. No one else really knows what's going on with me anyway. The don't have the time.

You clearly have something systemic going on. I am not qualified to tell you what that is. But you are.

For what it's worth I believe you! I've been there too.

I wish you good health and peace.

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I could not agree with you more and very well stated!
For those of us with long Covid however, the research is not really there yet to help us with solutions.
I spend hours looking, looking to try to figure the “key” to my recovery. I have found an Integrative medical practice that is really trying to help me. But, this is all new to everyone.

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I would encourage you to continue to do as much of your own research as possible. You will find information that your doctors do not have. They simply do not have the time. Researching what is going on with me does two very important things that have as much to do with me still being alive as does the information I find.

I learn what questions to ask. How a care provider reacts to my questions tells me a lot about how much they actually "care" and if they are humble enough to consider ideas that do not come from them. The arrogance of one doctor combined with my negligence destroyed my life and the lives of my wife and children, not to mention the effect it had on my investors, clients and the community.

Hubris is what drove Icarus to fly to close to the Sun. It cost him his life. For my children's sake, I don't want it to take mine. Beware hubris in healthcare providers.

That's were the second part comes in. I suffered for a long time with no answers. As treatment after treatment failed I became hopeless. If you are suffering from Long Covid I suspect you know the feeling. Researching what is going on with me gives me a feeling of having some agency over my life. I feel like I fighting back and that gives me hope.

I've been lucky, I found a lot of answers. It doesn't mean I am out of the woods. I am still fighting for my life but at least I am still in the fight. Somedays that's all I have.

There are a few other things that help.

I keep a pretty set schedule:

I get up at 4:00am, whether I want to or not.
I eat, meditate and read until 6:00.
I exercise from 7:00 to 10:00 (I really only exercise for two hours the rest is Sauna and wasting time).
I have my morning snack from 10:00 to 11:00 at local coffee shop.
From 12:00 to 4:00 I do research and write for my company and a book I am working on.
5:00pm is dinner.
6:00 to 7:30 I read and sometimes watch a little television.
8:00 is bed time.

I also plan and track my diet very closely. Good nutrition and exercise are the foundation of everything else.

I believe that whatever kind illness someone is suffering with, having a plan can help them get through the day and have some control over their life. I know that is what it does for me. Without my schedule and the little bit of hope I get from doing my own research I would have taken my own life by now.

I had Covid, it almost killed me. From what I know of Long Covid I suspect you are suffering greatly. I am sorry! I know that doesn't help much but there are people who care. If you keep digging you'll find that some of the leading institutions in this country recognize Long Covid as a real and debilitating illness that can destroy the suffers life. The proper treatment won't come fast enough but my research leads me to believe it is coming. Hang on! There are people who love you!

Yeah, I'm talking to myself too.

I hope you find the peace and good health you deserve.

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It sounds like it could be a heavy metal poisoning or something along that line. I see you have tats too so you might consider that as a possible igniter of your symptoms especially if you got the tats prior to symptoms. It never hurts to find out. Whatever it is, it seems to have been going on quite a while. It could be chronic fatigue syndrome too. Hope you find out soon.

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Have you been tested for Lymes or a parasite?

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@dfb

Unfortunately the modern medical model is broken. After fifteen years of countless tests, doctors visits and complete loss of my physical and mental health, along with the loss of my family and my freedom I somehow decided to try to figure out what was wrong with me.

It sounds overly simple but I just started Googling my symptoms, diagnosis, treatments and medications. I was horrified at how readily available the information and answers to my questions were and are. I have a great deal of experience doing research, (I owned an investment management firm for twenty years) but I didn't need any experience. The answers were right there. First page Google search.

In the investment business companies hide things. Digging is hard and requires a lot of experience to separate the nonsense from the actionable. Healthcare research is different. The information is everywhere. Yes, one needs to separate the biased from the unbiased but that is fairly easy.

If the research is sponsored by an entity that has a profit or political motive I reject it. One place to be careful is the FDA. The FDA does little to no research of their own. They get their data from Big Pharma and then decide based on that information. The FDA is a political organization. I give little credit to anything that comes from them. Doctors do, so I sometimes reference the FDA when I approach my providers.

In my experience most providers do little to no independent research, they do not have the time even if they were so inclined. Most providers know what the drug companies tell them. The exception does seem to be healthcare associated with teaching hospitals or institutions like Mayo Clinic that have a long history of public service.

I was dying from a host of physical and mental ailments.

As a result of the treatment and medications I was on I am completely disabled so I have the time. And no one is more motivated to ease my suffering than me. After spending the month of July doing research I went to my providers with what I found and told them what I wanted. Yeah, I ruffled a few feathers but after a little resistance they actually seemed relieved that someone was taking charge.

I am certain had this not happened I would be dead by now, probably by my own hand.

I am not out of the woods yet, but my trajectory is upward and I continue to make course corrections when necessary. I am well enough to have started a company providing research to other sufferers and their provider's. But you don't need me. No one does. No one is more motivated then the person who is suffering. All you need is an internet connection and the ability to read.

Would I prefer to have checked in to Mayo Clinic and let them work their magic? Sure! Unfortunately that is not an option for most people given the state of healthcare in the United States. It is imperative that I manage my providers. The days when I just do what they tell me are gone.

As an example two weeks ago I talked to my psychiatric provider about the fact that my sleep is all messed up from the meds I've been on. The very first thing she did was offer me two new sleep meds. I told her I would like to to do my own research before I take anything. No surprise, first page Google search turned up a page from Mayo Clinic clearly stating that the recommended sleep meds should not be taken with two other medications my provider knows I am on. This was easy validated by the second and third results.

Overworked, unconscious, medical providers along with my own negligence took everyone and everything that ever mattered to me away. No more! I need doctors to bounce my ideas off of, write prescriptions and order tests, other than that I am my primary care provider. No one else really knows what's going on with me anyway. The don't have the time.

You clearly have something systemic going on. I am not qualified to tell you what that is. But you are.

For what it's worth I believe you! I've been there too.

I wish you good health and peace.

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I'm so sorry. I'm going on 18 years without an answer. Some days are harder than others and days like today (another doctors appointment) are the worst. If the disease doesn't kill us I think frustration will.

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@morganjane

Wow, thank you for all of your suggestions. I wasn’t expecting anyone to respond to be honest. To answer some of your questions, I did have 2 root canals I think within about a year of the onset. I do recall around that time I also had an abscessed tooth that I had to get surgically removed. Oh & I’ve got a metal filling that I’ve had for maybe 20 years or so. I do remember watching that documentary called “Root Cause” or something like that & I was shocked to say the least. Definitely something I need to read up on.

I was tested for Lyme which came back negative but I can’t remember the last time I was outside where I could have gotten bit, so I didn’t think it’d be that anyways.

Since I work from home now, I’m here 24/7 & to be honest I have no idea if there’s mold. I’m not quite sure how I’d go about checking in to that but it’s not a bad idea. I live in an apartment complex that was built maybe…10 years ago? Idk.

I’ve seen a rheumatologist & the guy was probably one of the most unprofessional doctors I’ve come across. I had been referred there by my PCP (by my request) & there’s no intake paperwork, I get in there & he has no file or anything on me, & he asks why I’m there & if I’ve had any bloodwork done….he couldn’t even bother to look at the referral with my paperwork & labs…I tried explaining it all to him & he literally doesn’t touch me or anything, just immediately asks “have you heard of Fibromyalgia?”….. I was so mad because he didn’t even attempt to dig a little deeper or order additional tests, he just said my labs sound fine & there’s nothing he can do for me. The labs I had done were just your basic complete panel that you get done yearly. So the rheumatologist was a bust & I won’t be going back to that dude again.

Since day one I’ve really felt it has to do with either my thyroid or some sort of autoimmune disease. My father has hypothyroidism. But when the labs are normal, a lot of doctors don’t want to order more specific tests for thyroid like TPO or whatever else there might be. Like….why not just do it to humor me? It’s not going to hurt them in any way.

I truly don’t feel like what I have is anything super rare, I think we just don’t have competent doctors here & I hate to say that but I’ve had repeated bad experiences. I get it, they probably see a LOT of patients who are actually hypochondriacs. I know that has to be incredibly annoying. But being dismissive to each person who presents with a condition that isn’t your run of the mill common ailment, can be detrimental to one patient like myself with a legit health concern.

It’s just frustrating & it can be daunting trying to find help when you’re so limited on funds & living in a state with no resources. I’d LOVE to go to Mayo or Vanderbilt or UDN but it’s just not feasible. To add to my pity party, it doesn’t help that I live alone, I’m single with no kids, no family that I speak to, & no close friends anymore.

I just wish I had access to more caring doctors. It breaks my heart that the people we go to when we are at our worst, who we depend on to have our best interest at heart & to hopefully help us get better, have been the people with the least amount of compassion. I know there are still good caring doctors & nurses out there, they’re just more of a rarity now.

That’s the end of my little rant. Thank you again so much for all of your help. You’ve given me more avenues to explore which is great. 🖤

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Unfortunately, it is soooo true what you've shared about seeing doctors who are dismissive, whom we grew up to think would have common decency and concern (if not compassion) for at least pursuing, if not ultimately resolving, our lived symptoms/conditions.

We are going to them, living these symptoms/concerns, and subjecting ourselves to dismissiveness, coldness, and invalidation, only to continue on the treadmill (if we still have the energy) to find a professional who is capable and will take on the need to find answers. And, on top of this, I'm not even talking about serious, chronic conditions.

I cannot imagine, and frankly (after another dismissive, what-should-have-been regular visit) don't have the emotional energy to consider how on earth a person is supposed to deal with this Sisyphean task of getting professional, effective care when they may be at their worst in the midst of pain and sickness?

The lack of accountability for compassionate, competent, effective care is disheartening, to say the least, and borders on the criminal ("gross negligence"), I should say, in the worst cases.

Why must we fight these emotional battles, on top of the physical ones? (Because we have no choice.)

Here's to enduring the struggle to be heard, and attended to in a professional, competent and solution-oriented manner.

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