Stairs after TKR (1 side, 72 yrs old)

Posted by persia @persia, Nov 12, 2023

Hi. I am bone on bone, one spur, arthritis in one knee for yrs. Stairs are hard for me. Going up is easier than going down and can only do good leg down/bad leg up.
We are staying at a house that is raised up with parking, etc. underneath. (Post hurricane sandy construction).
13-14 exterior steps to entrance of house.
The place (a rental) has a full bath on the main floor with all bedrooms up a flight. We’re bringing a bed down to main floor for post-surgery.
Questions:
1. How painful/hard to climb the outside stairs when I leave the hospital?
2. Would it be better to extend hospital stay to 2-3 days?
3. How long before I should be able to navigate the outside stairs for rehab/walks/outings as a passenger?
4. How long before I can sleep upstairs in a bedroom (there’s a second bathroom upstairs)
Am anxious about pain/strength/getting around.
Thanks

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@janieben

Sorry to say, I am still in a bit of pain in the Jan 2022 TKR knee. Plus, my right TKR2009 knee started hurting 1 1/2 years ago and still does, especially going up and down stairs. It hurts mostly along the bottom and outer side of the kneecap. Has anyone else had this occur? If so, did you discover the cause or fix?

I did PT for about six months after Jan 2022 TKR, but did not continue exercises at home. I do lots of walking and chores outside (live on a farm). I think some of the uncomfortable feeling I get going up and down stairs is my left hip, which I feel was damaged when using a cane for six months before the 2022 TKR due to the left AND right knee pain. Plus in June 2021, I broke both ankles, was in boots, had PT for a long time, was in a wheelchair, the walker, then cane for a while. My left hip hurts, I think because I could use my right leg to stand and pivot, etc. Have not been pain free for years now. I am only 72 and feel 92 a lot of the time! I would appreciate any advice anyone has about the right knee hurting after 13 years, especially. It has been x-rayed and the prosthetic is still perfect. Is it osteoarthritis? Inflammation? Any suggestions are appreciated. 🙂

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Good morning @janieben. I think I have the same issues with my TKR from 2011. The one from 2021 is moving through life with me painlessly and supportive. And no......I haven't talked to anyone about it...yet. So it was informative to read your post.

Although I have no medical background or experience, I have learned a lot from you and other members of Connect. Here is my unprofessional thinking at this time. The culprit is aging. I think we forget that 12 years ago....our bodies were younger and more able to accommodate the elements of post-surgery recovery. We were more active and resourceful.

Then some of us undergo a second TKR for our other knee. That can put a lot of pressure on the first TKR knee to remain strong and responsive. However, it has aged normally and resists some of the pressure we put on it to support the second TKR. The resistance after "13 years" reveals itself as pain that we think is caused by a new condition.

My memory tells me that there are other issues......like using a cane for support. I had to stop grabbing a cane because the support is not equal for both sides. And in addition, I noticed that my shoulder which had undergone a reverse replacement began to resist the extra pressure from using the cane. So I moved to a rollator and the pressure from using that just ensured that both shoulders were reacting from the strain. Why? Because I had to have rotator cuff surgery on the second shoulder.

We are all facing aging discomfort. I am 81 and suffer rather miserably from SFN (small fiber neuropathy). However, my MFR (myofascial release) therapists spend a great deal of time keeping my knees and shoulders functional.

Let me know how this information sits with you. You may want to check out MFR information to see how others have found it helpful. Here is the link to that discussion.
https://connect.mayoclinic.org/discussion/myofascial-release-therapy-mfr-for-treating-compression-and-pain/
I will be waiting for your response.......especially your own suggestions.

May you be safe, protected and free of inner and outer harm.
Chris

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@artscaping

Good morning @janieben. I think I have the same issues with my TKR from 2011. The one from 2021 is moving through life with me painlessly and supportive. And no......I haven't talked to anyone about it...yet. So it was informative to read your post.

Although I have no medical background or experience, I have learned a lot from you and other members of Connect. Here is my unprofessional thinking at this time. The culprit is aging. I think we forget that 12 years ago....our bodies were younger and more able to accommodate the elements of post-surgery recovery. We were more active and resourceful.

Then some of us undergo a second TKR for our other knee. That can put a lot of pressure on the first TKR knee to remain strong and responsive. However, it has aged normally and resists some of the pressure we put on it to support the second TKR. The resistance after "13 years" reveals itself as pain that we think is caused by a new condition.

My memory tells me that there are other issues......like using a cane for support. I had to stop grabbing a cane because the support is not equal for both sides. And in addition, I noticed that my shoulder which had undergone a reverse replacement began to resist the extra pressure from using the cane. So I moved to a rollator and the pressure from using that just ensured that both shoulders were reacting from the strain. Why? Because I had to have rotator cuff surgery on the second shoulder.

We are all facing aging discomfort. I am 81 and suffer rather miserably from SFN (small fiber neuropathy). However, my MFR (myofascial release) therapists spend a great deal of time keeping my knees and shoulders functional.

Let me know how this information sits with you. You may want to check out MFR information to see how others have found it helpful. Here is the link to that discussion.
https://connect.mayoclinic.org/discussion/myofascial-release-therapy-mfr-for-treating-compression-and-pain/
I will be waiting for your response.......especially your own suggestions.

May you be safe, protected and free of inner and outer harm.
Chris

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Thank you, Chris, for your response. I tend to agree with you about the aging issue for TKR knees. Guess I wasn't expecting it. My mom, who lived to 95 and had both knees replaced around 65, died with both knees intact and pain free. Hard to believe the technology 30 years ago was that good! 🙂

I have gone to a therapist for MFR and intend to go again. In my small town, it is quite expensive. I also intend to get back on my exercise bike to get my new TKR up to speed. Perhaps it will also help my old TKR.

Not sure what to do about the hip issue or what it even is. I can't raise either leg high enough to easily step into a pair of pants while standing; perhaps exercise is called for there, as well. Nonetheless, I will keep fighting the good fight. Cannot imagine feeling like this for the next 20 or so years (if I live as long as Mama). Keep moving, my friend!

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@janieben

Sorry to say, I am still in a bit of pain in the Jan 2022 TKR knee. Plus, my right TKR2009 knee started hurting 1 1/2 years ago and still does, especially going up and down stairs. It hurts mostly along the bottom and outer side of the kneecap. Has anyone else had this occur? If so, did you discover the cause or fix?

I did PT for about six months after Jan 2022 TKR, but did not continue exercises at home. I do lots of walking and chores outside (live on a farm). I think some of the uncomfortable feeling I get going up and down stairs is my left hip, which I feel was damaged when using a cane for six months before the 2022 TKR due to the left AND right knee pain. Plus in June 2021, I broke both ankles, was in boots, had PT for a long time, was in a wheelchair, the walker, then cane for a while. My left hip hurts, I think because I could use my right leg to stand and pivot, etc. Have not been pain free for years now. I am only 72 and feel 92 a lot of the time! I would appreciate any advice anyone has about the right knee hurting after 13 years, especially. It has been x-rayed and the prosthetic is still perfect. Is it osteoarthritis? Inflammation? Any suggestions are appreciated. 🙂

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Well, osteoarthritis would show on an X-ray.

Inflammation is tricky. I learned that sugar consumption can lead to inflammation in the whole body. About three months ago I drastically cut back on sugar. I stopped drinking coke, something I did every day. One can has 7 teaspoons of sugar. I drink chocolate protein shakes that are sweetened with stevia.

I haven't stopped all sugar, gotta have some fun, but have dramatically cut back. I went from 188 lbs to 175 lbs in three months.

As far as exercise, just slow, steady pedaling on a recumbent bike should help your knees.

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Good for you on the weight loss! I, too, have cut back on sugar. Stevia in coffee, just the odd dessert now and then. No soda. I do have some osteoporosis - minimal in spine, worse in femoral tips according to dexa scan. Surgeons do not check x-rays for osteoarthritis around TKR, as far as I know. There only concern is that prosthetic still being firmly in place. I go back in Jan for yearly check. I will make my wishes known to check for osteo in rt knee. Thanks to you for your response and have a very peaceful holiday!

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@janieben

Good for you on the weight loss! I, too, have cut back on sugar. Stevia in coffee, just the odd dessert now and then. No soda. I do have some osteoporosis - minimal in spine, worse in femoral tips according to dexa scan. Surgeons do not check x-rays for osteoarthritis around TKR, as far as I know. There only concern is that prosthetic still being firmly in place. I go back in Jan for yearly check. I will make my wishes known to check for osteo in rt knee. Thanks to you for your response and have a very peaceful holiday!

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Their, not ‘there’.

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@heyjoe415

That's interesting Cathy. I can see why they'd have you alternate knees after two months, but not in the first weeks. I don't think it does any damage to do it earlier, it's just more painful.

But yeah, eventually we have to get used to walking down stairs using both legs. Sounds like you had a great recovery! Good for you and Idaho sounds beautiful! Enjoy life!

(I did visit Cour DeLaign - I know I'm mangling the spelling. We ate at a restaurant on the lake. Stunning!)

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I was probably an unusual case. I had done THREE months of prehab and did my home exercises - diligently. When my surgery date came along - I was very strong and ready. In fact, at my two week post-op the surgeon said that I was doing better than most people at 2 months. My bend was at 150 degrees at that point (the maximum) and I was walking independently - neither a walker or cane. I work very hard and wanted to be functional. I trust my PT team and knew no damage would be done if they encouraged it.

Yes, Coeur d'Alene IS lovely! We live down the River from the Lake. There is a floating restaurant - Cedar's - at the mouth of the River. Perhaps that is where you ate. I am happy you enjoyed it.

BTW my name is Cathyanne.

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@cathyanne

I was probably an unusual case. I had done THREE months of prehab and did my home exercises - diligently. When my surgery date came along - I was very strong and ready. In fact, at my two week post-op the surgeon said that I was doing better than most people at 2 months. My bend was at 150 degrees at that point (the maximum) and I was walking independently - neither a walker or cane. I work very hard and wanted to be functional. I trust my PT team and knew no damage would be done if they encouraged it.

Yes, Coeur d'Alene IS lovely! We live down the River from the Lake. There is a floating restaurant - Cedar's - at the mouth of the River. Perhaps that is where you ate. I am happy you enjoyed it.

BTW my name is Cathyanne.

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Good for you Cathyanne. You did all the right things before and after surgery. I got to 130 degrees of flexion in three weeks, it's probably a little higher now, but 150 is off the charts good.

If more people would do the work you describe, there would be fewer complaints here. I do believe that the majority of replacements turn out well, and if there is some failure, it's usually because the patient didn't do the work. Not saying surgeons don't make mistakes, they do. But the surgery is the easy part......

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You will or should be trained on stair climbing before leaving the hospital. You will be in pain post surgery, but its post-surgical pain. Ice & exercise are key. I have had 2 hips & 2 knees replaced. Do your exercises and daily care as prescribed by your doctor.

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@cathyanne

I was probably an unusual case. I had done THREE months of prehab and did my home exercises - diligently. When my surgery date came along - I was very strong and ready. In fact, at my two week post-op the surgeon said that I was doing better than most people at 2 months. My bend was at 150 degrees at that point (the maximum) and I was walking independently - neither a walker or cane. I work very hard and wanted to be functional. I trust my PT team and knew no damage would be done if they encouraged it.

Yes, Coeur d'Alene IS lovely! We live down the River from the Lake. There is a floating restaurant - Cedar's - at the mouth of the River. Perhaps that is where you ate. I am happy you enjoyed it.

BTW my name is Cathyanne.

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So happy for you! Believe it or not, when I asked my TKR surgeon about pre-surgery exercises, he said there was no need and he never recommended them! So I did not do any. My mistake!

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@heyjoe415

Good for you Cathyanne. You did all the right things before and after surgery. I got to 130 degrees of flexion in three weeks, it's probably a little higher now, but 150 is off the charts good.

If more people would do the work you describe, there would be fewer complaints here. I do believe that the majority of replacements turn out well, and if there is some failure, it's usually because the patient didn't do the work. Not saying surgeons don't make mistakes, they do. But the surgery is the easy part......

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I am over two years out and still in significant pain. Hope to have a revision as this first surgery failed. I was swimming laps 3 days a we for over 3 months before surgery as I couldn’t walk or ride my bike at all I was in very good shape! Did all the PT religiously and have been able to ride bike pretty successfully but walking is painful still. So it wasn’t a matter of me not being prepared or doing all the post op exercises. Seeing a different surgeon obviously.

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