@harleymama Im sorry to say but most Dr,s dont know how to help us with pain we have to invent things for ourselves Here are some things I use for pain back and elsewhere Tens unit for muscle relaxer ,heating pad Epsom salts soak ,hot shower, ice pain creams,pain patch ,Lidocane gel or rollon maybe you have used these but just my suggestions .I do use Tramadol at night .Find a Dr that will perscribe for you I also have back injections also at times