@grandmar and @JustinMcClanahan, yes. I totally agree. Tramadol is certainly my drug of choice. Unfortuunately, my doctor has decided to no longer prescribe ANY opoids, so I take 6 to 9 ES Tylenol each day while I search for another avenue of relief. They aren't as good as Tramadol, and I know they are slowly eating my liver, but at this juncture I'm ready to try most anything. Lyrica doesn't work. Take care, @cognac