overwhelmed by so much (often conflicting) info on natural approaches

Posted by swuelfing1 @swuelfing1, Dec 3, 2023

Hi everyone, I was wondering if anyone else feels overwhelmed when researching what to do about dealing with osteoporosis naturally. There is so much good info out there which is great. It's just that often it gets sooo detailed such as in the area of supplements that it gets confusing or just overwhelming to decide what to do and narrow it down to a feasible plan. Also there are certain topics that there's controversy about - like yes/no on dairy, if dairy then which dairy, oxylates?, correct exercise? correct supplements, too much calcium? As you research you find several very credible and trustworthy resources who still disagree on so many topics. You could endlessly research and go down rabbitholes on every topic. Has anyone figured out any strategies to keep things manageable and decide what to do?

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@cpd54

I did reverse osteopenia without drugs. It takes concentrated effort and attention though. But that was years ago and I have gotten slack in my efforts.
Now I have osteoporosis. I am
working with a functional medicine doctor to manage it without medicine ( I’ve had 3 doctors tell me not to take the drugs, one of them being a orthopedic surgeon). I have a list of amounts of vitamins and minerals to get daily, as many as possible from diet.
What ever route you take, please take K2 in the form of MK7. It’s what keeps calcium from going to your arteries, put simplistically.

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What worked for you when you did keep up with natural ways to improve your bones? Of course we’re all different and what works for one person might not for another. Sigh….

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Back then all that was recommended supplement wise was Calcium. I’m
Not even sure they had started recommending D3 with it. I do remember I took Citracal. All I did was cut sugar from
My diet, started practicing yoga and walked 4 miles daily on a treadmill at an incline.
Now I try to get
Calcium- (citrate or malate)1000 mg daily
Vit D- 5000 IU ( I was significantly deficient)
B complex
Magnesium 320-500 daily (ratio of 2:1 to calcium)
Vit K2- MK7 180 mcg
Boron- 3 mg
Copper- .9 mg
Zinc- 15 mg
Manganese- 1.8 to 23 mg
Selenium- 55 mcg
I also take Vitamn A. The Holy Trinity is supposed to be A, D3 and K2 to get the calcium to your bones and not your arteries. The fat soluble vitamins concern me since they can be toxic if you take more than your body needs. So I skip days taking them. May not be the correct thing to do but it gives me peace of mind.
I’ve just added MBP Bone Renew to the list. Dr Doug Lucas (YouTube him. Retired orthopedic surgeon) recommends this.
I don’t like exercising for exercise sake so I got 2 Jack Russell puppies. Right now I’m getting all the required exercise working with them 😂

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Great thread topic. I was recently diagnosed with osteoporosis and told to take fosomax and calcium by my NP. I am 67 and got Dexa results of 3.1 spine and 1.5 FN. I asked for a referral to an endo before making decisions about drugs, but won’t see that person until March. I found this group and read through everything and was referred to Dr. Keith McCormick by several people. I have read his books and re-reading parts of them as the info is quite dense.

My approach for now is for a nutritional/exercise foundation. I use an app called Cronometer which tracks your food and gives you detailed information about the nutrient profile. I only take calcium if I will not get enough from food on a given day. I strive for 30-40 grams of protein at each meal. I take several other supplements including McCormick’s Osteostim product. I bought a nutribullet so it’s easier to take in more leafy greens.

I’ve always been active, but more on the cardio side so I have added a weightlifting program with a trainer in addition to continuing walk/jog 3-4 miles a day. We are building toward implementing the heavier exercises described in the LIFTMOR study.

Dr. McCormick is not against using medications to “get you out of a hole”, while still continuing a foundation of nutrition/good sleep/exercise, so I am open to considering medication in the future.

I will see what the endo says in March.

This group has been the best source of information so far. I appreciate all of you.

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@jasperina

Great thread topic. I was recently diagnosed with osteoporosis and told to take fosomax and calcium by my NP. I am 67 and got Dexa results of 3.1 spine and 1.5 FN. I asked for a referral to an endo before making decisions about drugs, but won’t see that person until March. I found this group and read through everything and was referred to Dr. Keith McCormick by several people. I have read his books and re-reading parts of them as the info is quite dense.

My approach for now is for a nutritional/exercise foundation. I use an app called Cronometer which tracks your food and gives you detailed information about the nutrient profile. I only take calcium if I will not get enough from food on a given day. I strive for 30-40 grams of protein at each meal. I take several other supplements including McCormick’s Osteostim product. I bought a nutribullet so it’s easier to take in more leafy greens.

I’ve always been active, but more on the cardio side so I have added a weightlifting program with a trainer in addition to continuing walk/jog 3-4 miles a day. We are building toward implementing the heavier exercises described in the LIFTMOR study.

Dr. McCormick is not against using medications to “get you out of a hole”, while still continuing a foundation of nutrition/good sleep/exercise, so I am open to considering medication in the future.

I will see what the endo says in March.

This group has been the best source of information so far. I appreciate all of you.

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Love that you are working with a trainer to do the LIFTMOR exercises. That sounds like the best weight-bearing exercise plan if you are able to work up to it. For those with either more severe t-scores or whose physical condition prevents rigorous weight training and jumping, OsteoStrong gyms offer a safe and super-effective bone-loading exercise. There are a couple hundred or so around the US and more around the world.

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@sc614

I did not know there was ever a link with breastfeeding but I did find this info which now states:
“ As for breastfeeding, there was a time when researchers believed it was linked to osteoporosis later in life. But according to recent research, that’s no longer the case. “After reviewing a large number of studies, researchers now believe that breastfeeding may actually cause positive changes to bone density over a lifetime,” says Dr. Starr.”https://www.hss.edu/article_pregnancy-bone-density.asp#:~:text=“After%20reviewing%20a%20large%20number,a%20lifetime%2C”%20says%20Dr.

I agree with the opinion that genetics plays a large role.

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That article sums up the frustration of either not having studies at all or having the experts do a 180 on contributing factors - no wonder we are overwhelmed and anxious!

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@sc614

That article sums up the frustration of either not having studies at all or having the experts do a 180 on contributing factors - no wonder we are overwhelmed and anxious!

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I couldn't find the review Starr cites; she doesn't link it in the article you kindly linked. https://www.mdpi.com/2075-4418/13/9/1615 Thank you for moderating my reply.

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@swuelfing1

Love that you are working with a trainer to do the LIFTMOR exercises. That sounds like the best weight-bearing exercise plan if you are able to work up to it. For those with either more severe t-scores or whose physical condition prevents rigorous weight training and jumping, OsteoStrong gyms offer a safe and super-effective bone-loading exercise. There are a couple hundred or so around the US and more around the world.

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There are people on this forum who warn against OsteoStrong because they have fractured using the OsteoStrong program so please beware and look up OsteoStrong on this forum to find threads discussing people's experience with this program.

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@jasperina

Great thread topic. I was recently diagnosed with osteoporosis and told to take fosomax and calcium by my NP. I am 67 and got Dexa results of 3.1 spine and 1.5 FN. I asked for a referral to an endo before making decisions about drugs, but won’t see that person until March. I found this group and read through everything and was referred to Dr. Keith McCormick by several people. I have read his books and re-reading parts of them as the info is quite dense.

My approach for now is for a nutritional/exercise foundation. I use an app called Cronometer which tracks your food and gives you detailed information about the nutrient profile. I only take calcium if I will not get enough from food on a given day. I strive for 30-40 grams of protein at each meal. I take several other supplements including McCormick’s Osteostim product. I bought a nutribullet so it’s easier to take in more leafy greens.

I’ve always been active, but more on the cardio side so I have added a weightlifting program with a trainer in addition to continuing walk/jog 3-4 miles a day. We are building toward implementing the heavier exercises described in the LIFTMOR study.

Dr. McCormick is not against using medications to “get you out of a hole”, while still continuing a foundation of nutrition/good sleep/exercise, so I am open to considering medication in the future.

I will see what the endo says in March.

This group has been the best source of information so far. I appreciate all of you.

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Yes, I have also been working with a physical therapist towards building up to the Liftmor exercises. However, she warns against doing the Liftmor exercises on my own so Im interested in what you are doing with a personal trainer. Is it one on one? For how many times a week and for how long a session? Not sure I could afford that. My PT is covered by medicare but only for a specific time. She is suggesting going to a gym and using the machines instead after I am up to lifting 25 pounds, but I would prefer using a trainer instead if it was affordable. Any advice or thoughts? Thanks!

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@vgkime

There are people on this forum who warn against OsteoStrong because they have fractured using the OsteoStrong program so please beware and look up OsteoStrong on this forum to find threads discussing people's experience with this program.

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From my research it's only a handful of people over the 200 centers and 10+ years. I would like to know how many though - it's an important stat. And it's horrible for those it happened to. And people certainly fracture during other forms of weight training and even yoga and pilates. But no exercise, nor anything in life, is 100% risk-free. It seems OsteoStrong does have a system for making it incredibly safe to put incredible amounts of force (up to several multiples of bodyweight) on bones.

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