DEXA scores: mild vs. severe

Posted by prettyflower @prettyflower, Nov 26, 2023

My primary doctor started me on Fosamax when my DEXA showed -2.5 in the spine. After four years the DEXA was -2.7. A specialist then said to move on to Prolia, which I have delayed a bit. Is my DEXA "severe" enough to warrant that jump? What other meds would some of you suggest at this level? I am 59 and have never had a fracture, that I know of. Thank you.

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@susanfalcon52

Gravity3,
I receive my 7th dose of Evenity next week and I am also concerned about what to do next. My endocrinologist wants me to go on Fosamax. I am concerned about that as I have GERD. I went to see my long time gastroenterologist who said “No worries.” He said that if I take it correctly, it passes into my digestive system “like anything else “ and will not cause any harm. Still. I am skeptical.

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Understood. I am skeptical of it all and yet these drugs seem to best that is available at this time. Ah, these frail
human bodies! Good luck to you on your path.

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@susanfalcon52

Gravity3,
I receive my 7th dose of Evenity next week and I am also concerned about what to do next. My endocrinologist wants me to go on Fosamax. I am concerned about that as I have GERD. I went to see my long time gastroenterologist who said “No worries.” He said that if I take it correctly, it passes into my digestive system “like anything else “ and will not cause any harm. Still. I am skeptical.

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susanfalcon, your endocrinologist makes a good point. ( "After a 2-h intravenous infusion, plasma concentrations of alendronate decline rapidly to approximately 5% of initial values within 6 h. About 50% of a systemic dose is excreted unchanged in the urine in the 72 h following administration." ) about GERD. You can avoid some of the effect of acid reflux by taking great care after ingestion. Gerd is seen with IV and injectibles, so there is the potential GERD effect even with great care.
Alendronate is the bisphosphonate with the least persistence in the bone. It remains unevenly distributed in cortical and trabecular bone for a documented ten years . It doesn't actually leave the bone. You lose the alendronate when the bone leaves the body in the course of remodeling.
Without expertise, only in speculation, I wonder if an anabolic after Evenity might be a better choice, since the final nine months of Evenity are said to be antiresorptive.

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@tetris

@prettyflower @gently -- Per "Great Bones" book (pp. 568-569), an anabolic, or bone-building, medication (i.e., Forteo, Tymlos, and Evenity) doesn't work as well when followed by an antiresorptive, or bone-remodeling, medication (e.g., Fosamax, Reclast). The antiresorptive medication blunts the body's bone-building response and reduces the amount of new bone laid down. I don't know if length of time between ending the antiresorptive drug and starting the anabolic drugs plays a role in effectiveness.

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I think you meant to say that the anabolic medications such as Forteo or Tymlos don't work as well if taken following and antiresorptive drug, not "followed by."

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@imay

I think you meant to say that the anabolic medications such as Forteo or Tymlos don't work as well if taken following and antiresorptive drug, not "followed by."

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@imay Thanks so much for the catch! Yes, you are correct, my comment should have read:
Per "Great Bones" book (pp. 568-569), an anabolic, or bone-building, medication (i.e., Forteo, Tymlos, and Evenity) doesn't work as well after taking an antiresorptive, or bone-remodeling, medication (e.g., Fosamax, Reclast). The antiresorptive medication blunts the body's bone-building response and reduces the amount of new bone laid down. I don't know if length of time between ending the antiresorptive drug and starting the anabolic drugs plays a role in effectiveness.

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@hikernurse

Susan
I finished 12 months of Evenity in October and have taken 4 doses of alendronate. Previously I might have had a few bouts of GERD responding to occasional TUMs or Pepsis. Very concerned about taking alendronate but absolutely NEVER taking Prolia. I had textbook improvements with Evenity. So far I had non problem with week 1 and 3 of alendronate but weeks 2 and 4 experienced heartburn 1 1/2-2 days after taking not the day or night of so I am being very mindful and careful to see where this goes.

My endo says at least 2 years on alendronate. I’ve always wondered if evenity become more resorptive in the latter months, could this influence how long you need and anti resorptive before a drug holiday. i’ve not been able to turn up any info specific to this.

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I have had an appt with Dr McCormick and I had some GERD issues in my distant past. He said to me after Forteo , as the anabolic he recommended for me , he would use Actonel instead of Fosamax. Food for thought. Maybe check that out . Ask your practitioners questions. Good luck!!

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@ans

I have had an appt with Dr McCormick and I had some GERD issues in my distant past. He said to me after Forteo , as the anabolic he recommended for me , he would use Actonel instead of Fosamax. Food for thought. Maybe check that out . Ask your practitioners questions. Good luck!!

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thank you. I am keeping careful documentation of any GERD which not ever problematic for me in my past. Maybe holiday eating though careful contributed. Found it unusual that symptoms were only at night and the next day not night of and
only for 2-3
nights. Some say side effects dissipate over time. Trying to hang in there. Powerful medicine even though poorly absorbed. Hoping that means I don’t need to take for a long time. I have a CTX in January and maybe that will help in deciding length of anti resorption treatment but next DXA isn’t til October 2024 so probably not going to be able to stop this med any time soon. Although I am working with 2 different endocrinologists I’ve considering adding Dr McCormick as I’m probably not terribly far away in CT. Throwing everything I have at this beastly disease!! Appreciate your input.

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@hikernurse

thank you. I am keeping careful documentation of any GERD which not ever problematic for me in my past. Maybe holiday eating though careful contributed. Found it unusual that symptoms were only at night and the next day not night of and
only for 2-3
nights. Some say side effects dissipate over time. Trying to hang in there. Powerful medicine even though poorly absorbed. Hoping that means I don’t need to take for a long time. I have a CTX in January and maybe that will help in deciding length of anti resorption treatment but next DXA isn’t til October 2024 so probably not going to be able to stop this med any time soon. Although I am working with 2 different endocrinologists I’ve considering adding Dr McCormick as I’m probably not terribly far away in CT. Throwing everything I have at this beastly disease!! Appreciate your input.

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Just so you know. Most, if not “all” meet with him on a phone call. I’m in NY and made the trip , was going to be a bit late due to traffic and issues on 90 , met with him on phone a few miles away from his office. 🥴 2nd time I just stayed home and received a call. He doesn’t do zoom , just so you are aware. Good luck!!

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@tetris

@prettyflower I recommend reading more about Prolia and other medications in "Great Bones" by Keith McCormick. It was published in 2023 and has a very comprehensive section on osteoporosis medications. It may help you with your decision. There are also a number of excellent youtubes and articles that discuss osteoporosis medications, including Prolia.
Good for your to gather more info so you can make an informed decision. Prolia is a rather tricky medication to discontinue (or delay) -- see "Great Bones". Please be careful if you select it. Personally, it sounds like a rather scary medication.

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Will check out the book. At age 77, already 3 spinal compression fractures, Afib and now a 12 mm typical neuroendocrine tumor in lung I’m a little “oh well, do my best.” I am actually relieved that the tumor is so slow growing, no sign of issue in lymph nodes. Meet with a surgeon at Mayo soon. Haven't had any Afib for a year. I’m at the Y exercising 5x a week, meet with a trainer. Looking forward to next cruise and a trip with RoadScholars.org

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i am not sure what to tell you to take but i can warn you about prolia i had 1 shot and it changed my life forever be careful and make sure you research everything the drs know very little about these medications but yet give out freely. there are some medications that seem better than others but how do you know if your osteoprosis is not severe maybe try supplements and go to someone who can tell you the right ones to take they seem to help

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@proliamistake

i am not sure what to tell you to take but i can warn you about prolia i had 1 shot and it changed my life forever be careful and make sure you research everything the drs know very little about these medications but yet give out freely. there are some medications that seem better than others but how do you know if your osteoprosis is not severe maybe try supplements and go to someone who can tell you the right ones to take they seem to help

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I read about your Prolia experience on another comment page. My DEXA scores have remained consistent since 2017 at -2.4 hip, -2.5 femoral neck and -3.2 lumbar spine. My endo wants me to start Prolia, which I don't want to do. Of course, he minimizes any risk of side effects. I've had no fractures that I know of and am petite at 5'2", 112 lbs. I have my next DEXA in 4 months and am hoping my scores haven't gotten worse. Since 2017, I've been taking New Chapter calcium supplements and collagen powders. I don't do a lot of exercise other than walking.

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