Was your endometrial cancer tested for mutations in the gene POLE?

Posted by val64 @val64, Sep 3, 2022

I recently received the pathology results (Stage 1B Grade 3 endometriod carcinoma) on the specimens from my TH-BSO. I had thought that endometrial cancers like this would be routinely tested for mutations in a gene called POLE, which confers a better prognosis, but my sample was not. Apparently this is not part of the algorithm at the university hospital where I am being treated. They say they're working on offering this test, but that doesn't help me.

I have tried to ask my care team what my options are for getting this test done, but so far the only thing they mentioned is an extravagant sequencing test that isn't covered by insurance and seems to cost ~$6000. This is overkill, and way more than I would be willing to pay out of pocket.

Has anyone had POLE mutation testing done on their tumor specimen? If so, where where was this testing was performed? Did insurance cover it? How much did it cost?

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@val64

POLE mutations are present in about 10 percent of endometrial cancers and and are associated with a good prognosis and a very low risk of recurrence. If the test had been positive, that would have been something to celebrate, but a negative result doesn't really change the outlook on your situation either positively or negatively. Let me know if that doesn't answer your question.

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Thank you so much!! I really appreciate this. The things I read were very confusing!

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@jjevitts

Thank you so much!! I really appreciate this. The things I read were very confusing!

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I just looked at some of your previous posts and saw that you had your hysterectomy over a year ago. Did they just do the POLE test now?

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@val64

I just looked at some of your previous posts and saw that you had your hysterectomy over a year ago. Did they just do the POLE test now?

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No they did it at the time of surgery. My Dr. moved shortly after the surgery. She explained it, but I just didn’t quite understand.

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@val64

POLE mutations are present in about 10 percent of endometrial cancers and and are associated with a good prognosis and a very low risk of recurrence. If the test had been positive, that would have been something to celebrate, but a negative result doesn't really change the outlook on your situation either positively or negatively. Let me know if that doesn't answer your question.

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Thank you so much!! Very appreciated!

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Hello everyone, so extremely appreciative to be here with you all and Thank You 🙂
Diagnosis of Endometrial Cancer-Stage 1-Type 1A. 10/25/2019...had Surgery 12/30/2019- Complete & Total Hysterectomy...Everything's gone including having to take all lymph nodes out etc.... Per my Pre-Surgery papers I signed; because of what the PET Scan had shown, He may have had to do a Bowel Reduction on me during the Hysterectomy surgery. Moving forward I keep having bouts with unexplained uncontrollable Diareah over the past three years and this Drs staff insists I DO NOT require a 2nd PET Scan because there is Nothing to scan, it was all removed by the Dr. I've been asking when do I get my follow up PET scan since my Post surgery follow up visit 1 month after my surgery, just like what's our plan going forward the next 5 yrs.? He said Nothing, I said do I need chemo, or one pill for radiation, or outside radiation for my lower stomach to kill any hidden or run- away cells? and how far along will I get a follow up PET Scan? His Reply ... (very sternly)"THERE IS NO CANCER, I GOT IT ALL, I DONT KNOW WHY YOU ARE ASKING THIS, & NO REPEAT PET SCAN EVER, YOU'RE CANCER IS GONE BY ME w/ SURGERY. SO, NO RADIATION- OR CHEMO- OR ANYTHING IS NEEDED W/ STAGE 1-1A. I replied... So, you didn't miss even ONE single cell? He Replied "NOT EVEN ONE CELL" and shook my hand and left. That will be 4 yrs ago this DEC.
Has anyone had a similar situation? I don't feel like this is a normal practice. Personally, I want a clear PET Scan. This is my life. How can my Dr. be so adamant and 100% sure of himself after my Surgery to tell my family and I No... more treatment other than surgery and there's nothing up there to see anymore to get cancer to need a PET Scan

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@finn07

Hello everyone, so extremely appreciative to be here with you all and Thank You 🙂
Diagnosis of Endometrial Cancer-Stage 1-Type 1A. 10/25/2019...had Surgery 12/30/2019- Complete & Total Hysterectomy...Everything's gone including having to take all lymph nodes out etc.... Per my Pre-Surgery papers I signed; because of what the PET Scan had shown, He may have had to do a Bowel Reduction on me during the Hysterectomy surgery. Moving forward I keep having bouts with unexplained uncontrollable Diareah over the past three years and this Drs staff insists I DO NOT require a 2nd PET Scan because there is Nothing to scan, it was all removed by the Dr. I've been asking when do I get my follow up PET scan since my Post surgery follow up visit 1 month after my surgery, just like what's our plan going forward the next 5 yrs.? He said Nothing, I said do I need chemo, or one pill for radiation, or outside radiation for my lower stomach to kill any hidden or run- away cells? and how far along will I get a follow up PET Scan? His Reply ... (very sternly)"THERE IS NO CANCER, I GOT IT ALL, I DONT KNOW WHY YOU ARE ASKING THIS, & NO REPEAT PET SCAN EVER, YOU'RE CANCER IS GONE BY ME w/ SURGERY. SO, NO RADIATION- OR CHEMO- OR ANYTHING IS NEEDED W/ STAGE 1-1A. I replied... So, you didn't miss even ONE single cell? He Replied "NOT EVEN ONE CELL" and shook my hand and left. That will be 4 yrs ago this DEC.
Has anyone had a similar situation? I don't feel like this is a normal practice. Personally, I want a clear PET Scan. This is my life. How can my Dr. be so adamant and 100% sure of himself after my Surgery to tell my family and I No... more treatment other than surgery and there's nothing up there to see anymore to get cancer to need a PET Scan

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Hi finn07. I'm not sure I totally understood your story, especially the part about the bowel resection. Did they actually do a bowel resection? Did your diarrhea start after your hysterectomy?

If your endometrial cancer was stage 1A, grade 1, that means they didn't detect any cancer outside your uterus, and the cancer was not aggressive. The "standard of care" for women in this situation is monitoring, usually every 3 months for 2 years, by pelvic exams, unless there are symptoms, like vaginal bleeding. Not having any scans of any type is normal.

Many women with endometrial cancer never have a PET scan at all. I never had one. (I had one CT scan before my hysterectomy and another after I finished chemo.) PET scans are not "standard of care", and US insurance companies usually won't pay for them for women in your situation. If you have a lot of money, you may be able to demand one paid out of your pocket, but that doesn't seem like a good use of money to me.

It sounds like you have gone 4 years without your cancer recurring, so that's great! Usually if there's a recurrence, it will be within 2 years, with a few recurring between years 2 and 5. After 5 years you're considered cured, although there are still very rare recurrences.

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@val64

I'll definitely let you know the outcome of my quest for a POLE test.

I was not surprised by the diagnosis. My ultrasound report from early June said "suspicious for endometrial carcinoma" which I figured meant that I almost certainly did have cancer, since the radiologist would hedge if they weren't sure.

What did surprise me was how long it took to get from that to the hysterectomy (mid-August). I had a D&C in July where they removed a large polyp, which the pathologists diagnosed as a high-grade endometrial carcinoma, but deferred typing until the hysterectomy. I started lobbying for molecular testing then (where by "molecular testing" I mostly meant POLE testing, but I guess I wasn't specific enough), and the doctor said it couldn't be done until the resection, because of the Pathology department's algorithm. Then over a month later I discover that what I really wanted wasn't part of the Pathology department's algorithm either. My main emotion this whole time has been frustration.

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Hi, I understand your frustration and the fear that comes with having the "Big C" but what I would like to know is how are YOU feeling right now, are you okay? Do you have any new symptoms after the surgery that make you fear that something is or might be wrong?

Did you had a total hysterectomy and "NO treatment" was needed because it was a very low grade cancer?

If you are basically okay, are in remission, healthy and seeing your Oncologist at least every 6 months for pelvic exams and consultations and everything is going well....then those are very good signs.

I think it's best to focus our energy in enjoying life, having fun, doing whatever makes us happy 😊, keep busy, relaxing.

Maybe it will be a good idea to put this POLE test research in the back burner temporarily.
I'm saying this with much respect, care and compassion, and based on my own life experience.

Occasionally our minds betrays us and we go nuts thinking about the "what if....." that only makes us sad, scared and frustrated.

I came to the realization that I can't live my life worrying continuously about the unknown with my health, wasting the next 5, 10, 20, 30+ years scared.

I don't know what the future holds, but I want to be happy and not worry so much about the numbers and percentages % attached to my past pathology reports which by the way weren't too bad, Thank God!

This is our new normal and we have to make it the best darn years of our lives while we can, period 😊 God bless us all

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@ihndz

Hi, I understand your frustration and the fear that comes with having the "Big C" but what I would like to know is how are YOU feeling right now, are you okay? Do you have any new symptoms after the surgery that make you fear that something is or might be wrong?

Did you had a total hysterectomy and "NO treatment" was needed because it was a very low grade cancer?

If you are basically okay, are in remission, healthy and seeing your Oncologist at least every 6 months for pelvic exams and consultations and everything is going well....then those are very good signs.

I think it's best to focus our energy in enjoying life, having fun, doing whatever makes us happy 😊, keep busy, relaxing.

Maybe it will be a good idea to put this POLE test research in the back burner temporarily.
I'm saying this with much respect, care and compassion, and based on my own life experience.

Occasionally our minds betrays us and we go nuts thinking about the "what if....." that only makes us sad, scared and frustrated.

I came to the realization that I can't live my life worrying continuously about the unknown with my health, wasting the next 5, 10, 20, 30+ years scared.

I don't know what the future holds, but I want to be happy and not worry so much about the numbers and percentages % attached to my past pathology reports which by the way weren't too bad, Thank God!

This is our new normal and we have to make it the best darn years of our lives while we can, period 😊 God bless us all

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I don't know why this comment got so many "likes". I find it really insulting. You can keep opinions like this to yourself.

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