Stage IV
Brother was diagnosed with stage IV pancan. He had his first treatment of folfirinox last week. He did alright but did have 3 full days of nausea and no real nutrition. They kept telling him to take compazine and zofran...which we believe to not work for him. I have seen many people do really well in Folfirinox. Some are NED (no evidence of disease) after a few months of treatment. Anyone have a similar story? Or has anyone heard of them doing surgery (pancrectomy) after treatment of chemo followed by radiation? I have seen that there are some surgeons who are doing this at the Mayo Clinic, NY presbyterian/Columbia University and possible Sloan Kettering. My brother is 42. HE had no symptoms besides indigestion for a few weeks. Thank you in advance. Also had anyone heard of Dual Thermal Ablation treatment?
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Thank you so much for all of this. You are amazing. Surviving cancer as many times as you have. Praying for a quick recovery. Can I ask who your surgeon was at MSK? I hope you are feeling stronger everyday.
Yes, I am on Olanzapine all the time. I am on modified folfirinox which is the standard of care. Hope that helps.
@amchurch , I was stage 2 at my initial diagnosis (before neoadjuvant Folfirinox and Whipple). I was "at least" stage 2 when the recurrence was first suspected 3.5 months after Whipple, but officially stage 4 by the time a recurrence was confirmed.
The tumor at my original surgery site (pancreas head) went from undetectable on MRI to 2cm in 3.5 months, and evaded detection by two ctDNA tests and an EUS biopsy in that time. Follow-up ctDNA, CA19-9, and new MRI 4-6 weeks after the negative biopsy confirmed the recurrence as malignant. Mets to peritoneum were suspected in that MRI, and confirmed on CT a month later (along with rapidly climbing CA19-9).
A little more feedback.
1. My nurses gave me 2x ondansetron (generic Zofran) 8mg + dexamethasone (steroid) at the start of each Folfirinox infusion.
Also, with the second through eighth infusions, they gave me a dose of atropine with the last part of the infusion (irinotecan) because that drug affects me so intensely (my eyelids twitch, I sweat, and my hands tremble). The atropine halted one side effect (urgency to defecate) but the others remained during infusion and for abut an hour or two after.
2. My anti-nausea drugs for home use are ondansetron and promethazine (my insurance wouldn't cover generic Compazine, but the promethazine works well for me, so no loss).
3. I encourage your brother to record every doctor's appt. -- it's just too hard to listen and take copious notes. I don't have a smartphone, so I use a small Olympus digital recorder (about the size of half a pack of cigarettes).
With regard to nausea and food: I've had good luck with bland carbs (bread, cornflakes, plain mashed potatoes, bananas, pasta, matzoh). For protein: eggs, plain chicken, plain turkey, and mozzarella cheese. And I drink a fair amount of ginger ale.
Before I became ill, I ate a plant-heavy, whole-grains, little-added-sugar, few-lab-chemicals, minimal-dairy diet, so this dietary shift has made me unhappy BUT as I understand it the point is to do whatever works during chemo to ensure that one is getting sufficient calories.
Mayo Rochester had me do 8 rounds of fulfirinox then 3 weeks of radiation, the higher intensity vs the lower 5 weeks. it was my choice. I chose to do the three weeks. 6 weeks later I had the whipple. The tumor was dead when he went in for the whipple. It was all done laparoscopically. It was amazing. 10 months later I am doing well. Back doing most all the things I normally did like ride my horse and walk or run 1-2 miles a day. My issues with diarrhea have subsided I think I have it under control if I eat small meals every 2-3 hours and take an Imodium AD and my creon as prescribed. Hope this all helps. I don’t know why some DrS do the radiation or chemo after the Whipple. Mine was all before surgery.
Best of luck to you!
nvan,
Congratulations!
How do you monitor for recurrence or mets to other areas? CA 19-9 testing, and how often?
Repeat CT and PET scans?
Was any maintenance chemo discussed?
Every three months everything is clear. CA 19 is 4 going back this September again
No maintenance chemo was ever discussed. Yes CT and blood tests every 3-4 months.