@bigmann245 so sorry youre having this kind of pain,, But like the rest of us, the Dr's are not fessing up to what is causing it. I am pretty sure they know ( or at least they should know) what is causing it. But in my opinion, if they tell us then it would be telling us what mistake they made.. Luckily laying flat sometimes is my only relief .. good luck to you.. we all need some luck ..