I finally found some shoes that work for me . New balance 1540V. Wide enough toebox and good arch support. Ordered my regular size 9, and they fit! Read an article that said, athletic shoes in a running style, rather than walking, have a wider toebox, and that seems to be true with these. Not cheap at all but very supportive, especially in the heel. Maybe I better order another pair to have on hand just in case! I used to love to go shoe shopping when I could wear wedgies and spikes and all those fun shoes!!! Wishing you all comfortable feet, Bcool123