Idiopathic Polyneuropathy: My endless journey to a near-diagnosis …

Posted by Ray Kemble @ray666, Mar 29, 2023

Hello!

I have been here before. Several times each time posting under what seemed to be the correct topic at the time, such has been my maze-like journey to a diagnosis. I'm not there yet (that 100% positive diagnosis), but I'm closer. Only yesterday, I met with my neurologist, and he came as close as he dared come at the moment, calling my ongoing balance problem idiopathic polyneuropathy. Since I also have some cervical stenosis and am already scheduled for an MRI in two weeks, my neurologist suggested we plan to talk next after he has had a chance to look over the results of the MRI. This journey to a diagnosis has been a long one. I'm curious to know if others have had a similar experience. And what was the outcome? I'm doing PT for balance and taking B-12 and alpha lipoic acid (the neurologist's recommendation). But are there other things I might try at this point, something I might ask my neurologist about? I believe others' experiences with this condition would be of immense help.

Ray (@ray666)

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Well I recommend that you have the EMG repeated. My husband EMG on the first neurologist said he had bilateral carpal tunnel. Had surgery on one side and it did absolutely nothing to help. Next neurologist repeated the EMG and sure enough CIDP. His neuropathy was so bad in legs and arms. He had several falls and some fractured bones.Don’t give up. He receives IVIG infusion therapy every 3 months.

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@mayodoug

Gabapentin has been a very effective medication until just recently. I still take 3200mg daily because, without it, I would be in terrible pain. But my pain had increased substantially in the last few months. Some folks report bad side effects but I've never had them so I'll keep taking it unless my doc says stop.

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Hello, Doug (@mayodoug)
Is Gabapentin primarily, or maybe even exclusively, for pain? Since I've no pain (yet), that may be why my doctors have not mentioned it.
Ray (@ray666)

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@earlt

Hi, Ray
I went to a neurologist. They did blood test, sonogram on both legs and an EMG. I went back for a follow up. He looked at results and said everything look good. as I was getting ready to leave, he looked at me and said I have no idea what is wrong with your feet. My feet swell but swell really bad when I sit on the bar stool at home or when I'm driving.
Thanks,
Conrad Taylor

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Hello, Conrad (@earlt)
It sounds as though you and I have undergone the same battery of tests. I find it curious, though, that you, too, have swollen feet. I've had similar experiences: doctors examining me for something entirely unrelated to my feet have often asked, in an offhand way, "Have you any idea why your feet are swollen?" Mine, too, swell and then un-swell, depending upon what I've been doing or what sort of shoes I have been wearing. To date, however, no doctor has linked my swollen feet to my neuropathy.
Ray (@ray666)

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@jemock

The best to you. After 15 years of this, trying every mainstream treatment and a handful of non-traditional, I’m worse than ever and I don’t think I can keep doing this.

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Hello, @jemock
I am so sorry to hear what a tough go you have been having in finding some relief. Was it as bad in the first few years as it is today, or has your pain been getting steadily worse each year? You may not feel like talking about this, and if so, I certainly understand. Although I have been having some difficulties for a number of years, it has only been in the last few years that I have been trying to learn as much as I can about my neuropathy. Takes care. I wish you better days!
Ray (@ray666)

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@rob39

Hello ray666, I will explain the rapidly, but first my background with PN. It started about 15 years ago starting in my toes, within 12 years it reached to below my knees. ie. Prickling and itching. It was stable there for the last three years and I could cope without medication although my feet felt numb and nerve pain. In about July last year the nerve pain in my feet started to increase, to the stage that I sought help from my Neurologis, he prescribed neurontin 200mg every 8 hours. This helped with the sharp nerve pain. From the end of August the prickling and itching moved up my legs and by December had reached to the top of my thighs. My knees and legs felt weaker and I was using a walking stick.(cane?) Some days my legs are weak and some days a little better. I refer back to my original reply concerning my spinal problems, I have yet to have it confirmed, but I feel that the leg problem is not connected with the worsening of the PN and it is coincidental that they happened at the same time. Regards rob39
(I live in Australia.)

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Hello, Rob (@rob39)
I see how you too have been dealing with pain. It seems many others here too have been trying to cope with varying degrees of pain. That may explain the various medications that have been mentioned. Since I have yet to experience pain –– only numbness, and even that my numbness is far from 100% (it took the EMG test to even convince me I had numbness) –– that may be why my neurologist has this far only I advise that I take alpha lipoic acid (R-lipoic acid) and keep up on all of my B vitamins. I too now carry a walking stick around with me (it, or a pair of trekking poles), but I don't rely on it full-time, only if I find myself on 'tricky' ground. Me too: some days –– or some hours of the day –– my legs feel really weak, but other days or hours they feel fine. Puzzling. Nor have I confirmed that my leg weakness is connected to my PN. I attribute some, or maybe all, of the weakness to getting older. I use my stationary bicycle as much as possible trying to recover some leg strength. (Interesting: you're in Australia. The online balance program I have been following for the past several months is sent from Perth.)

Ray (@ray666)

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@ray666

Hello, Conrad (@earlt)
It sounds as though you and I have undergone the same battery of tests. I find it curious, though, that you, too, have swollen feet. I've had similar experiences: doctors examining me for something entirely unrelated to my feet have often asked, in an offhand way, "Have you any idea why your feet are swollen?" Mine, too, swell and then un-swell, depending upon what I've been doing or what sort of shoes I have been wearing. To date, however, no doctor has linked my swollen feet to my neuropathy.
Ray (@ray666)

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Hello Ray,
I don't understand why the swelling is almost gone when I get out of bed. My G.P. says it's because of gravity. Well duh. He hasn't been much help. I hit the bathroom about 3 times during the night. I get most of it out. I have had an EKG and ultrasound on my heart. It is good. The neurologist says after reviewing my results it's not neuropathy. I have a collapsed L-5 to S1. I'm going to start seeing a chiropractor Monday. He does spinal therapy, decompression and a massager.
My wife is reading an article about symptoms of what Gluten does to the body. It looks like it is causing my symptoms. I do know the more liquid I drink the more they swell.
You would think with all of the modern advancements in medicine someone could figure out what is causing this.
Stay safe friend,
Conrad

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@earlt

Hello Ray,
I don't understand why the swelling is almost gone when I get out of bed. My G.P. says it's because of gravity. Well duh. He hasn't been much help. I hit the bathroom about 3 times during the night. I get most of it out. I have had an EKG and ultrasound on my heart. It is good. The neurologist says after reviewing my results it's not neuropathy. I have a collapsed L-5 to S1. I'm going to start seeing a chiropractor Monday. He does spinal therapy, decompression and a massager.
My wife is reading an article about symptoms of what Gluten does to the body. It looks like it is causing my symptoms. I do know the more liquid I drink the more they swell.
You would think with all of the modern advancements in medicine someone could figure out what is causing this.
Stay safe friend,
Conrad

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Hi, Conrad

This will have to be brief. I've promised my partner we'll go shopping this afternoon, but, having just read your message, I've little choice but to send this short reply. I too have had several doctors –– not only my GP –– suggest various causes for my swelling. Each too will prose some fairly simple remedy; e.g., compression stockings, go easy on caffeine, avoid sugars, watch your gluten –– on and on. I'll try each; none has thus far proven itself to be the solution. Good luck with the chiropractor! I'll eagerly await sharing how that goes. (Whoops! My partner just phoned. She's ready for us to go shopping. I'd best scoot. Enjoy the weekend!)

Ray (@ray666)

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@ray666

Hello, Doug (@mayodoug)
Is Gabapentin primarily, or maybe even exclusively, for pain? Since I've no pain (yet), that may be why my doctors have not mentioned it.
Ray (@ray666)

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As far as I know, it is both a pain management med and also an anti-seizure med, I'm using it for pain only.

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@njed

@ray666 - Hi Ray - One thing that I've realized in the past 7 years is that PN absolutely impacts us in different ways. As we've posted before, we do share similar symptoms but not exact. And that could likely be some clue. As I read various comments under different topics, I say to myself....wow, I had that at one time and now I don't (pain in toes), yes I have that balance issue as well and in my opinion, getting worse each year. Cause? Opinions vary from genetic to toxins. I have an odd symptom that left 5 neurologists scratching their head. It is what I call the blank look. This heading is right, endless journey which many of us share. Meanwhile, I focus on what I can do to slow down the progression. Are my efforts working? I think so. IF I bump into a cause, great. Even if I can get the cause, what do you do with that information. Because mine is axonal related, Mayo told me no cure. But as we are impacted by this, we sure would like to know the cause, wouldn't we. Idiopathic is not an answer, it's only a label. Those who have a cause are very fortunate. Meanwhile be well all and keep moving.
Ed

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Hi NJ Ed,
I feel your pain. I know about the blank stare. But I have you beat, It took 6 neurologists to get to My diagnosis: Idiopathic small fiber neuropathy. I am curious about your comment that you think your efforts are helping. What works for you?

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@ray666

Hello, @jemock
I am so sorry to hear what a tough go you have been having in finding some relief. Was it as bad in the first few years as it is today, or has your pain been getting steadily worse each year? You may not feel like talking about this, and if so, I certainly understand. Although I have been having some difficulties for a number of years, it has only been in the last few years that I have been trying to learn as much as I can about my neuropathy. Takes care. I wish you better days!
Ray (@ray666)

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Hi Ray, my diagnosis is non length-dependent small fiber neuropathy. Full body plus some organ function is affected. The pain took a few years to fully develop but it’s been ongoing and intense for many years now. I’ve worked constantly with a pain management clinic but they have pretty well exhausted their bag of tricks. The big setback now is that after years of opioids î developed opioid induced hyper alodynia so the opioids were actually causing pain rather than blocking it. So now I’m off of all opioids and the pain is crushing. The best to you. It sounds like you may be dealing with something different. I sure hope so.

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