Bone Coach - How do you know it works?

Posted by sheilad1 @sheilad1, Dec 13, 2022

I have seen several people here joined Bone Coach. How do you know your osteoperosis is better. The testimonials talk about general health improving which adherence to any healthy diet may have done the same.
There is no science shown. It's pricey but worth it if it works.

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@sheilad1

Yeah. Spell check got me. They indicated that the meditateran diet was OK for osteoperosis but nothing else and that's simply untrue. There are many studies showing it as best for heart disease.
They have good exercises but not unique.
What I am interested in are the functional medicine labs. I am going to be consulting with Keith McCormick DC, vicar in reply, early 40s bedroom, who sings one hour to call him anyone else I spoke with him the one who told me about the bone quality time and where to get it.
As opposed to local doctors saying things like "you can do it if you like", or "yeah, go find one". I’m having the bone quality test and then I will consult with Dr. McCormick again and I will ask him about the labs, and I will report back here. I.

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Sheilad1. What is the Bone Coach costs by level? Do they share anything different than Keith McCormick DC books?

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Just listen to his podcasts. They’re free.

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If you do buy it don’t pay more than $250.

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@barbakp

Sue, it is a work in progress, but I’m moving forward daily. I switch things up, but a walk daily is non negotiable. I use a weighted vest (I’m finally up to 10lbs, and my goal is the recommended 10% of body weight..so 12lb is my goal.) I alternate days of doing free weights exercise,Fishman Yoga 12 poses and Meeks method exercises. I eat mostly plant based (I’m a vegan for 30+years, but recently stopped ALL added sugar (6 months ago). I take vitamins, but not crazy amounts and get most from food, but as I age my appetite had gotten so low that supplements are getting necessary. I definitely take B12, a good multi, K2, D3,DHA, magnesium and C. I emphasize protein, calcium and fiber in my diet. That’s it, so far. Ha!
You are lucky to have gotten the daddy gene! I got my moms crummy gene snd have been working for most of my life to not follow her path of self care, which was zero! I’m trying …
I’m envious of your current status of bone health, but please keep vigilant. Women don’t have it easy in this aging game. Whatever you do, muscle strength is vital for your future. Work on that and flexibility. You want to be able to get up if you fall! My friend told me she was unable to get on the floor and then get up… terrifying!! I watched videos on this very thing and am now able to get down and up without much grunting!! Haha!
Thanks for checking out those links. And continue to stay strong and well… Barb

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What weighted vest do you use (can you provide a link please)?

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@embalducci

Just listen to his podcasts. They’re free.

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Whose podcasts?

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I have had 8 compression fractures and have been on the AlgeCal regiment for 4 years. Dexa has improved but fractures are occurring at a more rapid rate every 6 months. Hoped Kevin Ellis' program would be the next step but from what I've read here I'm concerned about the lack of science too. I don't want to go on medication. Tymelos is what is being recommend my several doctors and I'm worried that it's only been on the market for 6 years. Being on steroids approximately 15 years ago is the reason my osteoporosis is so severe. I will listen to his podcasts. Thanks for the comments.

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@cpd54

Whose podcasts?

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‘Bone Coach’ Kevin Ellis

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@lynnhaz

@barbakp @sueinmn Id like to respond to the idea that the Bone Coach is a "scam". I am enrolled in this program and have to say that I am concerned that you would immediately draw a conclusion without knowing more about the program and what it offers. It is an extremely well researched, professional and extensive program with 5 coaches, 3 of them PhD's, one nutritionist and a Nurse Practitioner/Functional Medicine Practitioner who has been working with women for over 30 years in womens health, menapause, osteoporosis, teaches at the Functional Medicine Institute and has written books, hundreds of articles, etc.
These "coaches" are women who have thriving businesses along with their contributions to the Bone Coach Program and are highly educated in the field of osteoporosis. One part of the program alone offers 6 1-hour live Zoom calls a week with the different coaches (womens health, nutrition, stress management, exercise), and access to close to a thousand past recordings (lifetime access). That is in addition to the extensive step by step process that Kevin takes you through, so you don't get overwhelmed with the amount of information they offer.
The program is designed around identifying the causes for you specifically (ie is it estrogen, is it nutritional, is it absorption), The other target areas are Nutrition, Exercise, and Managing stress (which is closely tied to absorption as cortisol inhibits absorption of vitamins, minerals, etc) They recommend you have a: Primary Care Physician, a Functional Medicine Doctor, and an Endocrinologist on board.
With regards to marketing, Im not entirely sure why you would criticize someone for marketing their product, as anyone who wants a successful business will market their product. If anything, Kevin doesn't market it enough, as you don't really understand by looking at his website the enormous amount of information and support you get in this program. I believe he holds back because he has put so much content in his program that he does not want it stolen. And lastly, regarding cost of the program, why would that be a negative, to charge for what you get in the Bone Coach, lifetime access to all of the content...not just the Zoom calls but all of the nutrition, testing, exercises, etc.
We dont criticize anyone for hiring a Physical Therapist, a Nutritionist, a Personal Trainer, a membership at a gym. You have to pay for all of that, why is it a "scam" to pay for the extensive expertise of all of these people? The program consolidates it all together so you dont have to piecemeal your recovery plan. With all due respect I think your judgement that it is a scam is unfair.

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Helpful to know a bit more of what the Bone Coach program offers. Thank you for your comments.

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@sueinmn

@sheila1 Hello, I know the feeling of trying to get healthy, not wanting to take meds with a lot of side effects, and searching for "the cure." Fortunately, I do not have osteoporosis, but an incurable lung condition, that led me to Mayo Connect several years ago.

After reading and researching mainline and alternative treatments for Bronchiectasis & MAC, and for chronic pain, I have developed "filters" that can be applied to medications, supplements and treatments. These look for evidence, safety, and the qualifications of the promoters.

1) EVIDENCE
Has the medication or treatment been subjected to a sound, independent, measurable, evidence-based study? Have the results been independently peer-reviewed by someone with no personal or financial stake in the outcome?
Have the results been published in an independent professional or medical journal?
2) SAFETY
Have the risks of the medication or treatment been fully analyzed?
Are they clearly disclosed by the promoter?
If a medication or supplement, are ALL ingredients disclosed?
If equipment is involved, is it certified by the appropriate safety regulators?
3) QUALIFICATIONS
What are the professional credentials of the developer of the treatment or medication?
What are the qualifications or credentials of any independent reviewers?

Here are the "Red Flags" that make me run away: Undisclosed ingredients. Unwillingness to submit to independent testing or review. Lack of proper training to create the a scientifically sound and safe process, or lack of proper oversight by professionals with the training. Refusal to provide the identity of any "experts" consulted. Failure to advise people with known health conditions to consult their provider before applying.

I looked at the website, my main concern is: Lack of evidence - customer stories don't count. There is not even a hint that this is a peer-reviewed or peer-supported methodology, and NO numbers - not even his own, to show how the program works.
Does this give you any ideas for exploring furthet?
Sue

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Good advice. I am bothered by the lack of anything on Bone Coach on Google Scholar, let alone just regular googling. But he does make reference to Dr. McCormick's videos and information and other doctor names even in the email regarding his program.

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@lynnhaz

@barbakp @sueinmn Id like to respond to the idea that the Bone Coach is a "scam". I am enrolled in this program and have to say that I am concerned that you would immediately draw a conclusion without knowing more about the program and what it offers. It is an extremely well researched, professional and extensive program with 5 coaches, 3 of them PhD's, one nutritionist and a Nurse Practitioner/Functional Medicine Practitioner who has been working with women for over 30 years in womens health, menapause, osteoporosis, teaches at the Functional Medicine Institute and has written books, hundreds of articles, etc.
These "coaches" are women who have thriving businesses along with their contributions to the Bone Coach Program and are highly educated in the field of osteoporosis. One part of the program alone offers 6 1-hour live Zoom calls a week with the different coaches (womens health, nutrition, stress management, exercise), and access to close to a thousand past recordings (lifetime access). That is in addition to the extensive step by step process that Kevin takes you through, so you don't get overwhelmed with the amount of information they offer.
The program is designed around identifying the causes for you specifically (ie is it estrogen, is it nutritional, is it absorption), The other target areas are Nutrition, Exercise, and Managing stress (which is closely tied to absorption as cortisol inhibits absorption of vitamins, minerals, etc) They recommend you have a: Primary Care Physician, a Functional Medicine Doctor, and an Endocrinologist on board.
With regards to marketing, Im not entirely sure why you would criticize someone for marketing their product, as anyone who wants a successful business will market their product. If anything, Kevin doesn't market it enough, as you don't really understand by looking at his website the enormous amount of information and support you get in this program. I believe he holds back because he has put so much content in his program that he does not want it stolen. And lastly, regarding cost of the program, why would that be a negative, to charge for what you get in the Bone Coach, lifetime access to all of the content...not just the Zoom calls but all of the nutrition, testing, exercises, etc.
We dont criticize anyone for hiring a Physical Therapist, a Nutritionist, a Personal Trainer, a membership at a gym. You have to pay for all of that, why is it a "scam" to pay for the extensive expertise of all of these people? The program consolidates it all together so you dont have to piecemeal your recovery plan. With all due respect I think your judgement that it is a scam is unfair.

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I am curous about the material as a stand-alone without the coaching. Can you comment?

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