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I reversed osteoporosis without drugs

Posted by sheilad1 @sheilad1, Dec 28, 2022

I had my bone quality test yesterday along with another bone density test. This was my third bone density test in 14 months.

My first bone density test was Nov 2021.
I started consulting with different doctors. If I must take meds I would. But I had to get to the truth.
The physician who appeared to know the most is Keith McCormick DC the chiropractor who got osteoporosis at a very young age and really understands it.

That first DEXA scan showed I had mild osteoperosis of the spine, within the margin of error.
So no McCormick said to take the CTX (blood) test and a few others.
CTX was good.
My CTX shows that the osteoclasts are not breaking down too much bone. therefore, my next bone density test shouldn’t show that that I am much worse.

I decided not to wait until 2 years for another scan and took
I took another bone density (aka DEXA) scan 10/2022 to see if that was true about the CTX.
My spine was actually better in that scan and it was now osteopenia.
My hip was a little worse bringing it outside the margin of error. McCormick said this was a tough call so I said to him why don’t I get a bone quality test (that he told me about) and I figured that will buy me a little time anyway lol.

Unfortunately, the bone quality test only measures the spine.
Since it’s unusual for your spine to get better and your hip to get worse, it made me think - what have I done differently since the last test? Why would my spine improve but not my hip? What is my spine doing that my hip is not?

I decided it had to be the Supernatural virtual reality exercise app that I exercise to (on the oculus quest VR helmet). Even though I am striking the air, there actually is resistance, and I push hard to hit it as powerfully as I can.

I decided to put weights on my ankles. Everything I read says weight training should be once or twice a week, and I certainly only did it once.

Back to yesterday and the bone quality (TBS) test and yet another bone density (DEXA) test.
My hip was back to where it was on the first test. This put me back inside the margin of error where I would not have to take medication
This demonstrated to me that the CTX score did in fact mean I'm not losing density quickly.
Yesterday's test shows that my spine continued to improve and my bone density score was no longerosteopenia. It was normal. My bone quality test was great. The tech really loved it and called me over to show me how I was completely in the green meaning It was normal which is a little unusual at my age, 74, altogether.

I may be wrong about supernatural helping.
I’ll probably take the DEXA again in six months because I am anxious to see how the hip does, and if it improves even more.
And if so, I’ll turn myself into a study. 😂

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windyshores | @windyshores | Jan 2, 2023
In reply to @sheilad1 "I am 74. Menopause at 50. Scores attached. I did upper body strength training. Lower body..." + (show)
@sheilad1

I am 74. Menopause at 50. Scores attached. I did upper body strength training. Lower body walking. Added ankle weights after 2nd scan and see how the hip improved in 2 months. NOTE I had. TBS score which tests bone quality. Doctors are starting to see that that is more important than bone density. For example, our bone density increases after we’re born and we are at 90% by the time we are 15 years old. Young children have low bone density. But they don’t break a bone when they fall as a rule. Because their bones are soft the quality is good. What we need to watch out for our brittle bones. So if you have poor bone density, but good quality, then talk to a Doctor Who understands that because you may not have a high fracture right. Bone density alone is not the best measure of your chances of a fracture. You also need a CTX blood test. That will show if you are losing density quickly and if you’re not, you’re in good shape also, depending on your other tests. It is not easy to find someone who does the TBS Score. It is just a software that is added to the DEXA scan but it’s just not in a lot of offices. Mostly just in hospitals and even then not a lot of them. This is a link to help you find one. I don’t believe it’s complete, but I don’t know how else to find someone who has the software.
http://www.medimapsgroup.com/

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These tests are irrelevant for me @sheilad1. I have been dealing with osteoporosis for 14 years and as I wrote before, already have 7 spinal fractures. I did have a baseline CTX but it honestly was not that useful. I have an excellent doctor who has been in the field forever, and also talk with Dr. McCormick.

I don't see any scores for you, for bone density or bone quality. I would be interested in seeing them at the time when you had osteoporosis, then osteopenia and then back to normal.

I think that BOTH density and quality are important. Tests for density (DEXA) have been a pretty good measure of my situation and I have charted them since 2001 so I can see trends over time.

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bettersleep68 | @bettersleep68 | Jan 2, 2023
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@pmcgrady626

If I may join your conversation....
I was doing reclast infusions every year. My dexascan score stayed the same but did not improve. I started reading about taking collagen. Some women reported improved Dexascan scores after being on it. I still take my calcium and I take a liquid vitamin D3 and K2 that I put under my tongue. I purchase it from the same company as the collagen. I take magnesium 3 days a week also. I worry as to whether I'm doing the right thing. Guess I'll know when I get my next dexascan. You know you can only have them every two years.

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What type collagen and what dose...do you know if powder is better than collagen tablets...

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sheilad1 | @sheilad1 | Jan 3, 2023
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@dlmdinia

My technician said that Medicare will pay for one every year if you're being treated for osteoporosis or osteopenia.

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I had three within a period of 14 months, and they were all covered, because my doctor mock the medically necessary, which they were, to determine my treatment.

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sheilad1 | @sheilad1 | Jan 3, 2023
In reply to @windyshores "These tests are irrelevant for me @sheilad1. I have been dealing with osteoporosis for 14 years..." + (show)
@windyshores

These tests are irrelevant for me @sheilad1. I have been dealing with osteoporosis for 14 years and as I wrote before, already have 7 spinal fractures. I did have a baseline CTX but it honestly was not that useful. I have an excellent doctor who has been in the field forever, and also talk with Dr. McCormick.

I don't see any scores for you, for bone density or bone quality. I would be interested in seeing them at the time when you had osteoporosis, then osteopenia and then back to normal.

I think that BOTH density and quality are important. Tests for density (DEXA) have been a pretty good measure of my situation and I have charted them since 2001 so I can see trends over time.

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yes, they are generally both important.

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pmcgrady626 | @pmcgrady626 | Jan 3, 2023
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@bettersleep68

What type collagen and what dose...do you know if powder is better than collagen tablets...

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I take Native Path powdered. It's tasteless so I mix it in my coffee every morning. It comes with a scoop. As they recommended, I used 4 scoops for 6 weeks to build back up what my body had lost. I now do 1 scoop as a maintenance dose. They do not offer it in tablet form. They offer lots of other products but on limited income I can only do so much. I only do one other thing and that's a D3 K2 oil that I put under my tongue. I'm anxious to have my dexascan again to see if it's doing any good.

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windyshores | @windyshores | Jan 3, 2023
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@sheilad1

yes, they are generally both important.

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@sheilad1 do you have your scores? For the osteoporosis, then osteopenia then normal? I would like to see the actual progress you cited.

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sheilad1 | @sheilad1 | Jan 4, 2023
In reply to @windyshores "@sheilad1 do you have your scores? For the osteoporosis, then osteopenia then normal? I would like..." + (show)
@windyshores

@sheilad1 do you have your scores? For the osteoporosis, then osteopenia then normal? I would like to see the actual progress you cited.

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I posted the report but it was removed. I'll react any personal info etc
and post it again.

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somde | @somde | Jan 4, 2023

I agree with, Sue, Volunteer Mentor about osteoporosis comments. If you can do it without meds the more power to you! Healthy greens, vegetables and fruits you should not avoid. Exercise is key! I do not believe in self medicating with advertised supplements trying to take your hard earned dollars so they can become millionaires. But whatever works for you I respect!

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sheilad1 | @sheilad1 | Jan 6, 2023
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@drummergirl

So you are only doing these exercises? Are you taking any calcium, K,D?

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Calcium and K from food. I take D fir several years well before diagnosis.

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sheilad1 | @sheilad1 | Jan 6, 2023
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@sheilad1

I posted the report but it was removed. I'll react any personal info etc
and post it again.

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Here are my results. I'll try to get the full TBS results up here too.

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