Neuropathy: Numbness only, no pain

Posted by John, Volunteer Mentor @johnbishop, Sep 10, 2020

When I was first diagnosed with idiopathic small fiber peripheral neuropathy and numbness was my only symptom, my neurologist told me that I am one of the "lucky" few who didn't also have pain and other associated symptoms of neuropathy. I knew there were others out there but yesterday I met my first member on Connect who has a similar diagnosis. I want to thank that member for joining Mayo Clinic Connect and sending me a private message that I would like to answer here to start this discussion.

Hello @afirefly, Welcome to Connect. You mentioned being diagnosed with large fiber demyelinating predominately sensory peripheral neuropathy at Mayo Clinic. The neurologist's recommendation was exercise and balance exercises. Your symptoms are less than one year and are primarily progressive loss of sensation in your hands and feet. You also said aside from occasional muscle cramps in your calves and dyesthesias in hands and feet, you experience little discomfort. Your greatest concern now is the degree of disability you will have as the numbness progresses.

I can tell you that we think a lot alike. When I walked out of the neurologists office with similar symptoms of just numbness in the feet and lower legs with no pain – and no recommendations for treatment, I was pretty down. I was told to let them know as the condition progressed and my biggest fear at the time was not being able to drive myself. That's when I started doing my own research and found Mayo Clinic Connect after being diagnosed with idiopathic small fiber PN.

You have some really good and thoughtful questions which I will try to answer the best I can.

Question: Although you have improved on the Protocol, did you ever have complete loss of sensation in your feet? I ask because I truly dread the possibility of total sensory loss in my feet.

Answer: I never had a complete loss of sensation in my feet. At the worst, they felt numb and sometimes tingly but not painful, just uncomfortable. They mostly always feel cold and after being diagnosed with lymphedema I have to wear compression socks which doesn't help the numbness feeling. I have noticed that it seems like I've had some feeling returning ever so often when I'm exercising on my crossfit exercise bike. I use it several times a day for 30 to 45 minutes when I can to build up leg and arm strength. I recently purchased a device called a Sand Dune Stepper to work on my balance issues. I do think it helps and I've noticed a little more feeling in the bottom of my feet – if that makes sense for numb feet. Website – https://www.sanddunestepper.com/
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Question: Assuming you have little or no sensation in your toes and the soles of your feet, are you still able to drive a car?
If yes, would you kindly tell me what maneuvers/measures you have used over the years to compensate for the absence of feeling in your feet while driving?

Answer: I am still able to drive a car. The numbness was always a concern in my mind but never kept me from feeling the pressure of placing my feet on the pedals and pushing them down or letting them up.
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Question: Assuming you have little or no sensation in your toes and the soles of your feet, how difficult is it for you to walk? Before my neuropathy, if my foot was in a position too long it would "go to sleep" from lack of circulation to the nerves. The sensation would return seconds later once I changed my foot position. However, I don't believe I would have been able to walk on that sleeping foot until the circulation had been restored. Please tell me if there are/were any maneuvers/measures you have used over the years to compensate for the absence of feeling in your feet while walking.

Answer: When I was in my late 40s, my wife would sometimes tell me that I walk like an old man and now I am one and still walking the same. I've always been slow getting up and slow to take the first steps when walking. I guess I would call it trying to be careful because I wasn't sure of my footing. I think recognizing that your feet may not be as steady is a good thing and keeps you alert when walking. I struggle with walking any distance due to lower back issues. I recently had some physical therapy to learn some back and stomach muscle strengthing exercises which has helped some. Now I just have to execute a plan to do them often.
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Question: You indicated that the cost of the old Protocol was under $10/day (prior to 525 Protocol) several years ago and that the current 525 Protocol is $6.44/day. Does that mean Protocol 525 these days costs somewhat less than the old (original) Protocol?

Answer: Each item in the original protocol lasted a different number of days so the cost was more spread out and roughly calculated at under $10/day. The new 525 Protocol is a 30 day supply for $6.44/day ($193.20). It's also fewer pills to swallow which I really like. The Ramp up version is different due to the R-ALA in the regular 30 day supply. The daily R-ALA dosage is 1200 mg which causes some people to have stomach problems so the ramp up is to gradually increase the dosage to get use to the higher amount. I never had an issue because I was already taking supplements for the PN from my research and was taking that amount of ALA before I found the original protocol. Related discussion — Have you tried the new Protocol 525 product for neuropathy relief?: https://connect.mayoclinic.org/discussion/have-you-tried-the-new-protocol-525-product-for-neuropathy-relief/
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Question: Do you use orthotics or inserts in your shoes? Special shoes?

Answer: I've tried some orthotics and different inserts but don't always use them. I found some felt/wool inserts that I like during the winter time as an extra cushion. I do like Sketchers because of the memory foam cushion and comfort. I used to wear the canvas shell ones but my neurologist told me it would be best to wear shoes with good side support for walking. So, I try to choose slip-ons with good side support made out of leather. There is another discussion on Connect you might find helpful for shoes – If the shoe fits…right?: https://connect.mayoclinic.org/discussion/if-the-shoe-fits-right/
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Question: Besides daily foot exams, lotion to your feet, and avoiding barefoot walking, are there any other measures you use to protect your numb feet?

Answer: For me, this all started with a trip to the ER after waking up one night to go to the bathroom and when reaching the bathroom seeing blood all over the floor and trying to figure out where it's coming from. Surprised was I to see it pumping in a small stream from my ankle. Long story short, I unconciously rubbed my feet during the night and I had a hang nail on my big toe which tore the skin and part of a vein close to the surface. After that episode, I always wear white short loose socks to bed and I apply lotion to my feet and legs to keep them moisturized. I think that also helps with the healing process when you think that there are tiny sensory nerves just under the skin and it helps to keep the skin moist to protect them.

Hope this helps…let me know if I missed anything or if you have any other questions. We have a great group of members with a lot of experience here on Connect.

John

Interested in more discussions like this? Go to the Neuropathy Support Group.

In the Jacksonville Beach, Ponte Vedra, St. Augustine , Florida area ---anyone find a doctor who could help with your symptoms of SMALL NERVE FIBER NEUROPATHY? I have been biopsied and it has been confirmed. Tingling, burning working its way from my feet up towards the calves. I have been to neurology at Baptist South and UF and told to find a pain management doctor so I am on a wild goose chase on my own!! HELP!!

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@lamplighter1

In the Jacksonville Beach, Ponte Vedra, St. Augustine , Florida area ---anyone find a doctor who could help with your symptoms of SMALL NERVE FIBER NEUROPATHY? I have been biopsied and it has been confirmed. Tingling, burning working its way from my feet up towards the calves. I have been to neurology at Baptist South and UF and told to find a pain management doctor so I am on a wild goose chase on my own!! HELP!!

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Welcome @lamplighter1, I'm sorry to hear you haven't found any help for relief from your neuropathy symptoms. The best comprehensive list of treatments I've seen is on the Foundation for Peripheral Neuropathy's website here - https://www.foundationforpn.org/treatments/

You might also find the following discussions helpful:
-- Small Fiber Neuropathy: What helps?:
https://connect.mayoclinic.org/discussion/small-fiber-neuropathy/
-- Mayo Clinic Pain Rehab Center (PRC) - What’s Your Experience?:
https://connect.mayoclinic.org/discussion/mayo-clinic-prc-whats-your-experience/
Sites for learning more about neuropathy:
-- Neuropathy Commons: https://neuropathycommons.org/
-- Foundation for Peripheral Neuropathy: https://www.foundationforpn.org/

Have you done any research into different treatments for neuropathy?

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I have finally found someone like me with numbness but no pain. The numbness is in my hands also. The tips of my fingers are numb and my hands are slippery from all the pins and needles. I am unable to drive and my feet are both dropped. This is all from the three bouts of chemo I received for ovarian cancer. I am unable to stand alone and must use a walker to get about. My doctor thought he got all the cancer but felt I should still get the chemo just as a precaution. I was able to walk before the chemo and now I am disabled. I try to keep a positive attitude but some days I feel like so much of the life I have left has been destroyed. My neurologist does nothing for me but ask if I am in pain because he would give me more pain pills. I don’t want more I just want an answer on the numbness and how to fix it! I keep checking this site in hopes that someone on here has an answer to this,

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@tessie63

I have finally found someone like me with numbness but no pain. The numbness is in my hands also. The tips of my fingers are numb and my hands are slippery from all the pins and needles. I am unable to drive and my feet are both dropped. This is all from the three bouts of chemo I received for ovarian cancer. I am unable to stand alone and must use a walker to get about. My doctor thought he got all the cancer but felt I should still get the chemo just as a precaution. I was able to walk before the chemo and now I am disabled. I try to keep a positive attitude but some days I feel like so much of the life I have left has been destroyed. My neurologist does nothing for me but ask if I am in pain because he would give me more pain pills. I don’t want more I just want an answer on the numbness and how to fix it! I keep checking this site in hopes that someone on here has an answer to this,

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Hi Tessie63, I too have no pain just numbness in my feet. I had tingling only for about 12 years because of diabetes but now having Multiple Myeloma for almost 4 years it is much worse. I'm on chemo pills and have been for the almost 4 years dx with the cancer. I also see a Podiatrist every 2 months and she and other Dr's say nothing for just the numb feeling! I know how you feel it's awful, I still drive but walk with a cane because of balance issues. Sure wish there was something for us! I have no answer for this but hopefully one day there will be a cure. Take care and happy Holidays!

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@ancopau1998

Hi Tessie63, I too have no pain just numbness in my feet. I had tingling only for about 12 years because of diabetes but now having Multiple Myeloma for almost 4 years it is much worse. I'm on chemo pills and have been for the almost 4 years dx with the cancer. I also see a Podiatrist every 2 months and she and other Dr's say nothing for just the numb feeling! I know how you feel it's awful, I still drive but walk with a cane because of balance issues. Sure wish there was something for us! I have no answer for this but hopefully one day there will be a cure. Take care and happy Holidays!

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Thank you for replying to my message. You are very lucky that you can still drive. The loss of my independence because I could not devastated me. Have a blessed holiday season and all the best in 23.

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@ancopau1998

Hi Tessie63, I too have no pain just numbness in my feet. I had tingling only for about 12 years because of diabetes but now having Multiple Myeloma for almost 4 years it is much worse. I'm on chemo pills and have been for the almost 4 years dx with the cancer. I also see a Podiatrist every 2 months and she and other Dr's say nothing for just the numb feeling! I know how you feel it's awful, I still drive but walk with a cane because of balance issues. Sure wish there was something for us! I have no answer for this but hopefully one day there will be a cure. Take care and happy Holidays!

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I developed numberless in my feet after undergoing 4 chemo treatments in 2021. I finished in mid April and then after 2 months, I went to my summer home in Montana. While I was there, I walked like I was drunk, could barely go down the 4 steps off my porch. After returning home in September, I went back to work with my long time trainer at the gym. He specializes in training with older adults (I am 66). It was hard but he pushed me twice a week in working on balance and regaining strength. It has made a huge difference. Yes, I still have tingling in my toes, but no pain. There is hope. Please try to do Tai Chi or find someone to help you work on balance/strength issues. You have to continue to do training even after your sessions with PT or at a facility that has a trainer who works with older adults. I wish you all the best.

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@lamplighter1

In the Jacksonville Beach, Ponte Vedra, St. Augustine , Florida area ---anyone find a doctor who could help with your symptoms of SMALL NERVE FIBER NEUROPATHY? I have been biopsied and it has been confirmed. Tingling, burning working its way from my feet up towards the calves. I have been to neurology at Baptist South and UF and told to find a pain management doctor so I am on a wild goose chase on my own!! HELP!!

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Would Mayo in Jacksonville Fla be of help to you? I had gone to Mayo in Rochester and found them to be excellent. Wish you the best.

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@johnbishop

Welcome @lamplighter1, I'm sorry to hear you haven't found any help for relief from your neuropathy symptoms. The best comprehensive list of treatments I've seen is on the Foundation for Peripheral Neuropathy's website here - https://www.foundationforpn.org/treatments/

You might also find the following discussions helpful:
-- Small Fiber Neuropathy: What helps?:
https://connect.mayoclinic.org/discussion/small-fiber-neuropathy/
-- Mayo Clinic Pain Rehab Center (PRC) - What’s Your Experience?:
https://connect.mayoclinic.org/discussion/mayo-clinic-prc-whats-your-experience/
Sites for learning more about neuropathy:
-- Neuropathy Commons: https://neuropathycommons.org/
-- Foundation for Peripheral Neuropathy: https://www.foundationforpn.org/

Have you done any research into different treatments for neuropathy?

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John, Volunteer Mentor---Thank YOU so much for giving me some direction with the sources for research. Baptist Neurology and UF Neurology never told me about these sources. After many tests and about a year , a specialist at UF downtown Jacksonville did a biopsy in two places on my leg and sent it up to Johns Hopkins in Baltimore, Maryland. After a month. the biopsy results came back and said SMALL NERVE FIBER NEUROPATHY!! The UF neurologist cut me lose since the pregabalin and nortriptyline were not helping me. Frustration trying to find a well recommended pain doctor locally to try to treat the symptoms or miraculously come up with a cause of this condition in my body!!

Your help is refreshing!!

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Recently, it’s been roughly two months, I have been waking up in the night with unbearable numbness in my left hand (mostly) but sometimes my wrist & arm

I have been going to OT for about six weeks, trying to keep up with a rigorous at home exercise program, so far no relief. Numbness in left hand is 24/7 (aprox. 3-4 level during the daytime)
At night I sleep anywhere from 2-4 hours before waking up with numbness (7-8 level)
The only relief is to get vertical, I have tried a large wedge pillow, a neck roll pillow, beanbag, gel, foam…even no pillow!
I was diagnosed roughly twelve years ago with cervical ,radicliopathy (C5-C-6)
I’ve been able to keep it from getting worse, until now!
I also went for my first Medicare wellness exam and have lost one inch of height, after a Dexa scan, I do have osteoporosis as well…
Can someone advise, next steps?
Thankyou in advance!
I’m very happy to have found this group!
Maddie

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@magicwoo

Recently, it’s been roughly two months, I have been waking up in the night with unbearable numbness in my left hand (mostly) but sometimes my wrist & arm

I have been going to OT for about six weeks, trying to keep up with a rigorous at home exercise program, so far no relief. Numbness in left hand is 24/7 (aprox. 3-4 level during the daytime)
At night I sleep anywhere from 2-4 hours before waking up with numbness (7-8 level)
The only relief is to get vertical, I have tried a large wedge pillow, a neck roll pillow, beanbag, gel, foam…even no pillow!
I was diagnosed roughly twelve years ago with cervical ,radicliopathy (C5-C-6)
I’ve been able to keep it from getting worse, until now!
I also went for my first Medicare wellness exam and have lost one inch of height, after a Dexa scan, I do have osteoporosis as well…
Can someone advise, next steps?
Thankyou in advance!
I’m very happy to have found this group!
Maddie

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Welcome Maddie! @magicwoo, We are happy you found Connect also. Learning as much as you can about your condition is a great start. It sounds like you've tried quite a few things but still haven't gotten any relief. @jenniferhunter started the following discussion on Myofascial Release Therapy that you might find helpful.

-- Myofascial Release Therapy (MFR) for treating compression and pain:
https://connect.mayoclinic.org/discussion/myofascial-release-therapy-mfr-for-treating-compression-and-pain/
You mentioned that the numbness is only in the left hand. Have you seen an orthopaedic hand specialist?

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