Breast Cancer and complementary or integrative therapies

Posted by nataliehope @nataliehope, Feb 27, 2020

Hi All, I am newly diagnosed Stage 1, IDC, tiny tumor, 42 year old. Does everyone elect to have surgery as step 1, does anyone try to fight the tumor on it's own? I'm E+, P+ Her2-Neg, MMI is 8. My hormones have been out of whack for a while and I neglected to take care of me, very hard menstrual cycles, very high stress, emotional trauma too, but I eat well and exercise. I'm a month from being diagnosed and I've upped my supplements and am eating really healthy, juicing, praying...etc. I need to block my estrogen, what are you guys doing for that? Also, any discussion on natural ways to get rid of a tumor? Anyone hear of Crybolation/Cryotherapy to freeze cancer cells - it's so successful in other countries especially for people with my diagnosis but very hard to find here in USA. I truly believe God gave us everything to heal our bodies and we can heal our cells and our life is in his hands, the conventional cancer path already has took me down dark tunnels that I don't feel are right for me... just looking for something more natural, would love your thoughts if you are like minded thinker and believer. God bless you all! XO

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We asked my surgeon at Mayo about Cryo for my Stage 1. She said the tumor had to be tiny to do that procedure. Mine was 15mm (about peanut size). She did conventional incision. I’m guessing stage 0 might be a candidate for Cryo. With Covid protocols many regular Mammograms we’re not done, hence the greater number of new BC patients. Blessings😘

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@polianad22

The big question is: how many of us are willing to go on very healthy diet without sugar, oils, salt, no processed food, yoga, meditation, hiking, walking etc. It's not easy. I eat mostly plant based, but I eat some fish, seafood, eggs, avocado oil and salt. Hopefully I can eliminate more of those foods from my diet. One thing that I changed is fasting from 5:00 pm to 9:00 am. It's important to give your body 16 hours of no food, just water. Sometimes I eat a fruit.

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I commend you on your very healthy eating habits. That said even that did not prevent you from having breast cancer. Other things in the environment and in our bodies can impact our health. If your BC profile is estrogen + it may be beneficial for you to consider minimizing the estrogen in your body. Many women do not have negative side effects but if they do find it intolerable one can stop … it’s a daily pill not a long term infusion.

Some people “blindly follow “ western medicine recommendations but I am not one of them . I have researched this throughly. That said, there are many who “ blindly follow” alternative remedies such as supplements and certain diets.

For me, your dream is in fruition. Exhaustive Research has proven the benefit for Estrogen reduction for Estrogen positive BC and highly trained nutritionalists have forged a path for best eating practices for BC prevention and health in general. I’m hoping that BOTH will reduce any chance of recurrence.

I pass no judgment on your choices and I wish you well.

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Thank you beautiful ladies. I don't judge anyone. Just sharing my honest thoughts here with you.

I almost wanted to go here before my surgery: https://hope4cancer.com/alternative-cancer-treatments/

Ended up creating my protocol with two doctors: https://www.georgeycwong.com/
https://meridianmedical.org/
Dr. Wong gave me a very strong tea that I am still drinking twice a day. Dr. Chang gave me venom Blue scorpion, plus some mushroom supplement. Did Vitamin C intravenos twice before the surgery, RS canabis oil, eating mostly plant based. Dr. Wong has been treating people who I know with his teas and works well. He shared that his teas would help me with my Estrogen and Progesterone. Of course I would like to know what my oncologist thinks on January 4th. Plus waiting for my Oncotype DX test.

It's true that extremes are not good.

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@colely

There is a new book called: Handbook of Research On Natural Products and Their Bioactive Compounds as Cancer Therapeutics, by Ashok Panduangan. It costs $500.00. I tried to order it through my library, but had no success. I am very interested in possibly adding some natural treatment along with the small amount of Tamoxifen I can tolerate.

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It’s $500.00?

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@jaynep

It’s $500.00?

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Yes, that's what the price is on Amazon.

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I was diagnosed almost one year ago - invasive ductal carcinoma, HR and PR positive and HER2 negative. I was 71 when diagnosed and am 72 now. I did hours and hours of research and I read a few books. I ultimately decided on having a partial mastectomy (took a piece about the size of a peach), but turned down the radiation and aromatase therapies because of the large number of serious side effects involved. I found a really good Naturopath and she is giving me supplements to deal with issues like the estrogen - but it only blocks the type of estrogen that feeds the cancer and not the types that foster bone growth etc. Also, she has me doing mistletoe injections that have been used in Europe for several years with great success for treating breast cancer and a couple of other cancers. On top of this I am taking Artemisinin pills that also target the cancer cells along with a number of other supplements, and working my diet towards vegan - maybe only 75% there so far. I have upped my exercise with walking, doing some weightlifting and I will soon be adding swimming. I am having little to no side effects and feel healthy. Two really good books I read were: "Chris Beat Cancer" by Chris Wark AND "Keep Your Breasts" by Susan Moss (I think you have to buy this second hand as I couldn't find new print ones - but a lot of choices second hand on Amazon etc.) I feel that you need to do as much research as you can, weigh in all the types of treatments that are offered whether conventional or alternative, and make a decision that you believe in for you. Believing in your treatment goes a long way in helping it to work. Also, I have many people praying for me, and I am sure that has contributed to my ongoing good health. Good luck to all - having cancer is quite a journey! 🙂

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@shortie0650

I was diagnosed almost one year ago - invasive ductal carcinoma, HR and PR positive and HER2 negative. I was 71 when diagnosed and am 72 now. I did hours and hours of research and I read a few books. I ultimately decided on having a partial mastectomy (took a piece about the size of a peach), but turned down the radiation and aromatase therapies because of the large number of serious side effects involved. I found a really good Naturopath and she is giving me supplements to deal with issues like the estrogen - but it only blocks the type of estrogen that feeds the cancer and not the types that foster bone growth etc. Also, she has me doing mistletoe injections that have been used in Europe for several years with great success for treating breast cancer and a couple of other cancers. On top of this I am taking Artemisinin pills that also target the cancer cells along with a number of other supplements, and working my diet towards vegan - maybe only 75% there so far. I have upped my exercise with walking, doing some weightlifting and I will soon be adding swimming. I am having little to no side effects and feel healthy. Two really good books I read were: "Chris Beat Cancer" by Chris Wark AND "Keep Your Breasts" by Susan Moss (I think you have to buy this second hand as I couldn't find new print ones - but a lot of choices second hand on Amazon etc.) I feel that you need to do as much research as you can, weigh in all the types of treatments that are offered whether conventional or alternative, and make a decision that you believe in for you. Believing in your treatment goes a long way in helping it to work. Also, I have many people praying for me, and I am sure that has contributed to my ongoing good health. Good luck to all - having cancer is quite a journey! 🙂

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Amazing. Please share your naturopath's name: https://www.listenandcare.com/

Praying is extremely important! Thank you for sharing @shortie0650

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@polianad22

Amazing. Please share your naturopath's name: https://www.listenandcare.com/

Praying is extremely important! Thank you for sharing @shortie0650

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Just for the sake of other readers here, I and others I know did not have significant side effects from aromatase inhibitors. I respect your approach and am interested in your info after finishing my 5 years of meds (I am 8 years out from diagnosis now). But so many are scared of the meds: some will have significant side effects, some won't, and they may be life-saving for some.

I am interested to know whether estrogen suppression via "natural" supplements also cause the same side effects as the AI's. I would think that effective estrogen suppression would mean similar side effects, no matter what the source. But if the supplements you are taking are selective, perhaps side effects are different. I would love to see any info you have on this, a link or article.

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@windyshores

Just for the sake of other readers here, I and others I know did not have significant side effects from aromatase inhibitors. I respect your approach and am interested in your info after finishing my 5 years of meds (I am 8 years out from diagnosis now). But so many are scared of the meds: some will have significant side effects, some won't, and they may be life-saving for some.

I am interested to know whether estrogen suppression via "natural" supplements also cause the same side effects as the AI's. I would think that effective estrogen suppression would mean similar side effects, no matter what the source. But if the supplements you are taking are selective, perhaps side effects are different. I would love to see any info you have on this, a link or article.

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Natural estrogen stopper Estrohalt.

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@polianad22

Natural estrogen stopper Estrohalt.

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Estrohalt is both an estrogen blocker and an aromatase inhibitor. I looked it up and it is used for estrogen dominance (too much estrogen). If it were effective in reducing estradiol below detectable levels, wouldn't the side effects be the same as a pharmaceutical AI? On the other hand, I would like to know what a doc (integrative or not) thinks about the effectiveness of this for cancer, if it does not reduce estradiol below the detectable level. Does it still help reduce risk?

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