Am I crazy for being concerned ??

Posted by ffelkey @ffelkey, Nov 4, 2022

Hi ! So I came here because ever since the end of August I haven't been feeling well. I have lupus & arthritis but this felt different. My neck felt stiff, I had a sudden sharp pain going from my ear to my neck, my body ached, temp was high, and unintentionally losing weight. My stool was also very loose and thin. Before you say "go to the doctor" I have been to more than one. My family doctor & my them rheumatologist have basically had me going back and forth from one to the other ever since.

My concern is because I've been feeling this way ever since my visit with the rheumatologist at the end of August. Two days after to be exact. I had the fluid from my knee drained and was given a cortisone shot. I got a call from the nurse practitioner herself asking me how I was feeling and if my knee was swollen/red/etc. which was very strange because they don't usually call me. I said no but that I've been feeling unwell and having neck stiffness & pain. She said "well we think the synovial fluid from your knee was contaminated" Being curious I looked at the results of the fluid culture and it said "rare staphylococcus aureus" now this was very strange to me and I decided to go to my family doc because it seemed my rheumatologist thought everything was fine. She ordered a COVID test which came up negative and told me I probably just had an upper respiratory infection even though I had no symptoms of that. My temp got to 101 and I tried calling to speak to the nurse practitioner at my rheumatologist office because she had told me that on the phone that if my family doc won't order a chest x-ray she would. All the staff there told me is that doc said there's no further tests to order. Now given I felt like absolute shit and had a fever I started crying because it felt like no one would listen. Eventually my symptoms got a little less intense so I forgot about it but the few things that never changed was the weight loss, my stool, and fatigue. My normal temp has always been 97.4 and now my normal seems to be 98.5 ever since I got sick. I have not felt like my normal self since and sleep most days and stopped working out which I used to love doing. I've now dropped 15 pounds ever since this started at the end of August. Recently I've been feeling worse and have had such bad body pain and my temp was 99.2 today.

I did get some blood work done though for my annual check up with my rheumatologist and everything was normal besides my sed rate which was 60 and my crp which was 55.70 mg/l Now, I had gotten these same tests done right when I started feeling this way and my sed was 21 and crp was 3.12 mg/l (which is already abnormal for me because my crp has always been 0.34 mg/l and only ever rised during a bad flare to 0.38 mg/l) My rheumatologist told me it seems that my current meds aren't working for my arthritis and she wants to put me on Humira.

Am I crazy for wondering if there's more to this than arthritis ??? I've never felt like this in my entire life (I'm 22 btw) and my blood work has never looked even close to that. They never did any tests to rule out infection even though my knee fluid said it contained " rare staphylococcus aureus" I just want to stop feeling like this and I don't know what to do. Sorry for the long post but I'm just desperate for answers and a solution and I don't want to go on Humira if my problem may be something like an infection or even something else. I just want some further tests done but they keep assuring me it's my autoimmune disease's. What are your guy's thoughts ? What would you do ?

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@ffelkey
Hello,

No you are not crazy and there are a ton of articles and abstracts online about synovial fluid induced S. Aureus. I don’t know what “rare” means but I am surprised that no one tried an antibiotic. Staph infections are hard to treat because so many are resistant to antibiotics. My opinion is that you are being treated very casually by your doctors. I am not sure what type of specialist you should be seeing at this point but don’t let this go. You are not feeling “normal” so something is not right. See a new doctor if you have to and have your complete medical history ready and let them know what hasn’t been done and ask why no antibiotics were considered.

Time to get pushy. Please let us know what happens and hopefully someone with experience in this area will helpfully post.

FL Mary

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@ffelkey I agree with imallears (I love that handle!). Something seems wrong and that infection sounds alarming. It isn’t right but unfortunately the patient needs to practically order the right test and come up with a diagnosis for themselves these days and then find a doctor that will even listen to them. Please don’t give up. If it is possible, have a male go with you to appointments. I read studies have shown females get better treatment if a male goes with them. It makes a difference when I do. I am so sorry you are going through this at such a young age.

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@imallears

@ffelkey
Hello,

No you are not crazy and there are a ton of articles and abstracts online about synovial fluid induced S. Aureus. I don’t know what “rare” means but I am surprised that no one tried an antibiotic. Staph infections are hard to treat because so many are resistant to antibiotics. My opinion is that you are being treated very casually by your doctors. I am not sure what type of specialist you should be seeing at this point but don’t let this go. You are not feeling “normal” so something is not right. See a new doctor if you have to and have your complete medical history ready and let them know what hasn’t been done and ask why no antibiotics were considered.

Time to get pushy. Please let us know what happens and hopefully someone with experience in this area will helpfully post.

FL Mary

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Thank you for the reply ! I think the reason it says "rare" is because it says "rare staphylococcus aureus negative coagulase" which from what I've seen is a type of that bacteria that typically lives on one's skin and is harmless but if somehow gotten into the body, can be dangerous and cause infection since it doesn't belong there. Now I'm not really sure my family doctor understood those results. She told me that bacteria is not dangerous. She also acted as if it saying "negative" means everything's fine ? She said "well the test came up negative for staphylococcus aureus". When actually it's just a different kind of staphylococcus aureus. On the test it literally even has a chart of what antibiotics would work best and what would be more resistant.

I do have some hope because I have an annual check up with my hematologist on Nov. 14 and she is one of the only doctors I have that I feel like actually listens. My mom goes to her and tested her B12 for her since my family doctor told her "it wasn't necessary". Turned out she was extremely low in vitamin B12 yet my family doctor didn't think it was necessary to check even though we have a family history of low B12. If you ask my hematologist to do a test though, she says "well it never hurts to check". Hope she will give me her opinion on all this and possibly order some tests that my other doctors won't.

Thanks again for the reply and I will update if I find anything out. x

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@ffelkey - you definitely are NOT crazy! That’s a label doctors use (“it’s all in your head - you need to see a psychiatrist!” is what I got for several years) when they cannot figure out what’s wrong with you! It takes just one interested doctor to zero in on your problem, so don’t stop looking for a diagnosis!

It took many years before a new physician suspected (but didn’t say it at the time) what was wrong with me, and referred me immediately to a rheumatologist who examined me and within minutes told me I had fibromyalgia. She sent me for some tests that day which confirmed it. My physician then told me that is exactly what she had suspected, but not being a specialist, she wanted it confirmed by one.

You may have an auto immune illness - and that is difficult to diagnose because it can mimic several other illnesses.

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@ffelkey - not all rheumatologists are familiar with fibromyalgia and other auto immune illnesses, so get second opinions from each each doctor specializing in different conditions till you find the right one.

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@ffelkey

Thank you for the reply ! I think the reason it says "rare" is because it says "rare staphylococcus aureus negative coagulase" which from what I've seen is a type of that bacteria that typically lives on one's skin and is harmless but if somehow gotten into the body, can be dangerous and cause infection since it doesn't belong there. Now I'm not really sure my family doctor understood those results. She told me that bacteria is not dangerous. She also acted as if it saying "negative" means everything's fine ? She said "well the test came up negative for staphylococcus aureus". When actually it's just a different kind of staphylococcus aureus. On the test it literally even has a chart of what antibiotics would work best and what would be more resistant.

I do have some hope because I have an annual check up with my hematologist on Nov. 14 and she is one of the only doctors I have that I feel like actually listens. My mom goes to her and tested her B12 for her since my family doctor told her "it wasn't necessary". Turned out she was extremely low in vitamin B12 yet my family doctor didn't think it was necessary to check even though we have a family history of low B12. If you ask my hematologist to do a test though, she says "well it never hurts to check". Hope she will give me her opinion on all this and possibly order some tests that my other doctors won't.

Thanks again for the reply and I will update if I find anything out. x

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Hi, I read about your concerns, and I agree it is a bad feeling not to know exactly what is going on. There is another, less alarming possibility, for the finding of staff in the synovial fluid in your knee is contamination in the doctor's office. By that I mean, it was contaminated by the bacteria on your skin as or after it was drawn.

When your doctor says the test came up negative, she means for any S. aureus - it will all show up on the test, then it is further cultured to determine the exact strain. This means you don't have active staph now.

You are reporting your blood test results - keep in mind that with an autoimmune or inflammatory condition of any sort, the counts ebb and flow - go up and down based on what is going on in your body. The fact that you needed your knee drained & a steroid injection tells me (a non-medical person, but with a long medical history) that you had some extraordinary inflammatory process going on already. It is not uncommon to have inflammation show up as a variety of unpleasant symptoms, especially increased body aches, fever, etc.

In reading all of your posts, I can see that this incident has given you a great deal of anxiety. And you diagnosis of lupus and RA is no picnic either. It stinks that this is happening to you at a young age, so you need to start thinking about how you will manage for the long term.

The key with chronic conditions like yours is to realize you are going to have periods of feeling bad as disease progresses, and adjustments to medication, diet and lifestyle will always need to be made. Perhaps you can arrange to talk with someone about how all of this is affecting you mentally and emotionally as well as physically. Maybe you can get some help developing coping skills for dealing with flares and setbacks?

Sue

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@ffelkey You sound like so many of us who don’t feel that we get the whole answer. Doctors say the same thing over and over and forget that the person they’re speaking to has never heard of it before. Medical terms are like a foreign language. You may want to consider going to a major medical center of university teaching hospital in your state. The doctors are usually more knowledgeable. That’s what I had to do when none of the doctors in my town could recognize/diagnose what was on my MRI. The university hospital has been top-notch for me ever since.
Is that something you might consider?

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I read your full post and I am with you 100% that sounds like a systemic infection that got ignored. I feel like I cannot get one doctor to listen to anything I say. I have 8 different autoimmune diseases and get no help. I cannot have the preferred treatment for most because of one of the other autoimmune conditions so they leave me with nothing. I go through the same things and I cannot function with all the symptoms. Staph aureus could be MRSA and that can colonize in your body. It’s a nosocomial infection. Upon admission to loyola hospital all patients are required to have a nasal swab for MRSA otherwise I would have never known I was colonized. It manifested as sores on my body after that. I’m immunodeficient so my body can’t fight most infections. Found that by accident as well. Ugh please keep posting and I hope you find someone to help you🙏

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@ffelkey

Thank you for the reply ! I think the reason it says "rare" is because it says "rare staphylococcus aureus negative coagulase" which from what I've seen is a type of that bacteria that typically lives on one's skin and is harmless but if somehow gotten into the body, can be dangerous and cause infection since it doesn't belong there. Now I'm not really sure my family doctor understood those results. She told me that bacteria is not dangerous. She also acted as if it saying "negative" means everything's fine ? She said "well the test came up negative for staphylococcus aureus". When actually it's just a different kind of staphylococcus aureus. On the test it literally even has a chart of what antibiotics would work best and what would be more resistant.

I do have some hope because I have an annual check up with my hematologist on Nov. 14 and she is one of the only doctors I have that I feel like actually listens. My mom goes to her and tested her B12 for her since my family doctor told her "it wasn't necessary". Turned out she was extremely low in vitamin B12 yet my family doctor didn't think it was necessary to check even though we have a family history of low B12. If you ask my hematologist to do a test though, she says "well it never hurts to check". Hope she will give me her opinion on all this and possibly order some tests that my other doctors won't.

Thanks again for the reply and I will update if I find anything out. x

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Honestly, the more you share about your doctors, the less it sounds like they take you seriously (or even know what they are talking about). Please don't ever ignore your gut feeling. You've also done enough research to know this isn't normal, and a doctor who spends 10 minutes with you will never be informed enough to actually think through your case. As others have said, we have to do our own research these days and PUSH to find a doctor who will actually listen. I wish you all the best!

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I find it absolutely interesting how the most reliable comments are from people that are non biased those real patients that had not forgotten their challenges, meaning not from the volunteers or people that personally I feel their are biased by the system. I’m not saying they don’t have information that can be considered but no amounts of CBT will cure an infection, if the patient needed antibiotics why wasn’t this given to the patient? I hope the perpetuation of this wrongful, negligence and diagnosis overshadowing STOPS and we are all part of the change… just saying. Btw since I’m constantly being censored by the person running this deleting my posted discussions (have evidence, maybe you won’t even see this), I hope you get the health care you need as soon as possible and to have a appropriate care team that cares for the patient that cares of you.

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