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@lucky77 Welcome to Connect. I appreciate your detailed explanation and questioning of what is wrong and how you are advocating for yourself. Many patients don't understand how to do that, so thank you for your example. We are all patients, and not medical professionals, so we can't diagnose a problem, however we can share similar experience which can give you an insight toward your journey.

It may be that the simple answer could be that hardware causes pain in some people. In my case, I know that is true. I had a compound bimaleolar fracture of the tibia and fibula at the lower ankle end of these bones that was also a dislocation and a serious sprain. I did have some loss of cartilage in the joint, so the joint space is slightly smaller than it should be. It was broken in a movement similar to rolling my ankle and it happened falling off a horse, so it was a high speed impact with the ground. I also had an external fixator cage for a couple weeks before I had surgery at Mayo to place 2 plates on the front and medial side of the tibia, and a screw placed inside the fibula from the lower end upward because it was displaced and had broken through the skin. I had my hardware for about a year and a half before I had it removed. I always felt like someone was kicking me in the shins with every step I took and it throbbed an ached a lot of the time. I also developed extensive chronic hives 6 months after getting titanium plates, and that resolved after hardware was removed.

I have not been able to be as active as previously because every once in a while, my ankle collapses under me with a sharp pain. I think this is when it fatigues, and it just doesn't take much effort until it wears out. That leg is still smaller, and I have weakness in the muscle on the lateral side of the calf and there has been a deficit there with slight muscle atrophy, so my ankle is weak in moving the foot to the lateral side, although it has improved a lot since the cast was removed. With the imbalance between strength of the lateral and medial sides, it allows the strong side to beat up the weak side and stress the tendons and ligaments that were sprained. I am having success with using vet wrap to wrap around my foot to help stabilize it and I have been wearing a lace up ankle brace since the cast came off, and I have custom orthodontics from a podiatrist. I think the joint can shift alignment a bit from laxity in the ligaments, and cause fatigue because it is off just a bit. It also helps to use my hand and rotate the ankle through it's range of motion so it doesn't lock up.

I do well walking on level firm surfaces, but soft uneven ground where my ankle has to stabilize is very difficult and fatigues my ankle quickly. I have learned that it takes time.... lots of time.... and my recovery may be over several years in baby steps. I'm guessing it may be possibly 6 years until I get to maximum recovery, although doctors don't really say that and may not know unless they have had a similar experience. I have talked to my podiatrist about stem cell injections to help heal and clean up the joint, but that needed to wait until at least a year past the last surgery, so I have not done that yet. He said it takes a long time to see results, and it's not a miracle fix, but it can help.

Pain also happens because of scar tissue that can pull on the capsule around a bone where there are lots of nerve endings. You can take your hands and firmly grasp your leg, and pull on the skin and just hold it and wait for the fascia to reorganize itself and release some tension. That is how myofascial release therapy works and I have learned a lot of it working with my therapist. I have also had medial knee pain similar to what you describe, and that was from misalignment of my pelvis. I have worked with a physical therapist on exercises to realign my body and it resolves that, so if that happens it is my clue to check my alignment. Misalignment like that can create wear an tear unevenly leading to a future knee replacement. I pay attention and if I can't solve it, I see my PT.

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It has been a year since my hardware was removed, and the bone pain is gone. My issues are working on the weakness deficit slowly because too much will just cause me pain and to have to get off my foot for a few days to a week to rest it. I do get swelling over the ligaments that were strained in the injury. After hardware removal, you are at risk of fracture because of the holes left by the screws, until the bone heals and fills in the holes. If there was nerve damage during the injury, there could also be weakness or pain that continues. Right after my injury, I could feel a nerve firing, so I straightened my dislocated ankle just enough to stop the nerves from firing with my hands. I didn't want to move it much and cause more damage, but I knew if I just left it like it was, it was pulling hard on a nerve. I loosened my hiking boot, and didn't remove it and I was holding onto it to support my foot. At that time, it hurt a lot to have my fractured ankle dangle. I think that helped prevent some damage, and I always had full sensation and feeling in my foot and ankle. I also could have caused more damage doing that if I had been careless, and it caused a few raised eyebrows at the hospital.

Peripheral nerves do have some ability to regenerate, but that is a question for a doctor and there is likely no definitive answer except wait and see. I also have had problems with metals in my body causing inflammation, so that may have been another source of pain. I had problems with pierced earrings and had to give them up. Dental work caused issues, and I only knew that it was causing inflammation because my asthma got better when I became "metal free." I had some old failing root canals and crowns that were removed when I got ceramic dental implants with ceramic replacement teeth. I was going through that process when I broke my ankle 2 and a half years ago, and my asthma got worse again with titanium metal inside by body. After my surgical hardware removal, I returned again to my metal free status and my lung function improved again.

Removing the fixation hardware was the right choice for me, and I am better off for doing it. There is a recovery again after a surgery, but it isn't as hard as the initial recovery after breaking the bones. I was able to weight bear right away, and was annoyed by stitches again, but this time they got removed a little sooner than the first time. The pain I get now is from ligaments, sometimes aching and sometimes itching (which is the low threshold of pain), but things are improving gradually. The discomfort is minor if I go slow and don't push myself too much. I think I will still improve a lot going forward and I can walk around the block couple times without any pain.

You might want to look at these other discussions where patients discuss hardware removal and our discussion about Myofascial Release.

— Myofascial Release Therapy (MFR) for treating compression and pain:
https://connect.mayoclinic.org/discussion/myofascial-release-therapy-mfr-for-treating-compression-and-pain/

--Hardware removal after tibial plateau fracture (tpf):
https://connect.mayoclinic.org/discussion/hardware-removal-after-tibial-plateau-fracture/

After bone healing is accomplished, perhaps you wouldn't need to keep the hardware if it could be easily removed. Have you discussed removal of all the hardware or just part of it with your surgeon?