Letrozole and checking estrogen levels

Posted by 2r3b @2r3b, Sep 3, 2022

I have been taking Letrozole for 6 months. Is there a test (ideally a test that is sensitive and can indicate if the AI is actually working) that can check my estrogen levels? The only Estradiol test I have had was one that was checked just to confirm "menopausal status" a few months after removal of ovaries. However, this test was not very sensitive as it was not sent to a special lab and the results were received in just a few hours. I would have anticipated a lower number, but my Oncologist indicated that it was not a very sensitive assay. I would just like another potential test option that is more sensitive/comprehensive if possible.

Thank you for any thoughts!

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@anjalima

I m in month 6 with Anastrozole and just had a blood draw and requested that estradiol be included. Result was available within 24 hours and was <15, I guess exact number (measurement) is elusive? Menopause is < 30 . So I’m assuming the aromatase is doing it’s job but will discuss with oncologist. 🌸

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@anjalima I had to Insist to do the estradiol blood test. Mine was <10. I asked my oncologist does it ever go to zero? He couldn’t tell me. 🤷‍♀️🙏🏼

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@sequoia

@anjalima I had to Insist to do the estradiol blood test. Mine was <10. I asked my oncologist does it ever go to zero? He couldn’t tell me. 🤷‍♀️🙏🏼

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🙏🙏🙏.

Let’s hope!

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@sequoia

@anjalima I had to Insist to do the estradiol blood test. Mine was <10. I asked my oncologist does it ever go to zero? He couldn’t tell me. 🤷‍♀️🙏🏼

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The lab may not have a measure below 10. Can you ask the lab?

Studies were cited in the Femara insert that said levels were "not detectable" at a dose that was 20% of what we take. But perhaps the "not detectable" is not usually included in lab tests-?

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@anjalima

I did scour the website and did not find. Greatly appreciated if you do find it. Thank you.

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I read the guidelines on the site myself after the oncologist gave me a copy but didn't save account info and password. Web search for NCCN guidelines and go from there. You'll have to create an account to read them. Then search by breast cancer on the mega guidelines page and go from there. There is a DCIS category. Then you have to scroll through those to get to stage 1 (early stage) and the guidelines for several sub-menu items by estrogen sensitivity. When you get to E+, P+, HER2- there are recommendations and the one for women over 70 with this as first-event breast cancer is to not recommend radiation. Or maybe call NCCN and they can direct you to exact link. But you'll still have to register to access it alas. It tool me some time but the stuff is there. Hope this helps.

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@deechase

I, too, was in the same situation and very frustrated with their lack of concern/interest in serum estrogen levels. They seemed so important during the Anastrozole study I was in. But when I "failed" the study, the estrogen levels were no longer important. Seemed very contradictory to me. I decided not to go on Letrozole, which was the next AI in line. The side effects/payout wasn't worth it for me. I am amping up my immune system for overall better health (guided by integrative medicine physician). It was a very difficult decision for me, but I don't want fear to run my life. I'm doing the best I can and what will, hopefully, work for me. There is no magic pill/program for everyone. We all need to support each other and do what we can to move forward and be positive. I wish all the best to you in your journey.

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Hi Dee,
Check out this website. https://www.iscador.com/en/
I started this treatment today while continuing with radiation.
Let's see how it works. This is miraculusly covered by the health insurance, which normally never considers alternative medicine remedies, so I'm assuming it must have passed some standards and proven to work.
Big hugs, Ruth

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@ruth7

Hi Dee,
Check out this website. https://www.iscador.com/en/
I started this treatment today while continuing with radiation.
Let's see how it works. This is miraculusly covered by the health insurance, which normally never considers alternative medicine remedies, so I'm assuming it must have passed some standards and proven to work.
Big hugs, Ruth

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Ruth,

Hi there! Big hugs to you as well!

Thank you so much for this information. Since I live in the U.S., what is the best way to get mistletoe? I couldn't find any USA suppliers.

Thanks,
Dee

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@deechase

Ruth,

Hi there! Big hugs to you as well!

Thank you so much for this information. Since I live in the U.S., what is the best way to get mistletoe? I couldn't find any USA suppliers.

Thanks,
Dee

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https://www.iscador.com/en/service/find-clinics-and-medical-practices.html#map-container-practice-finder

There are a few locations in the U.S. If the above link does not open,-
On the website, Under "Service", Click on "Find clinics and practioners" and look for U.S.

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@anjalima

I m in month 6 with Anastrozole and just had a blood draw and requested that estradiol be included. Result was available within 24 hours and was <15, I guess exact number (measurement) is elusive? Menopause is < 30 . So I’m assuming the aromatase is doing it’s job but will discuss with oncologist. 🌸

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Just wondering about your blood draw. If you did not have the blood test prior to starting AI. How do you know that it's working? I haven't even begun AI and my estrogen tested <18. I've been menopausal for about 10 years. So it's way below <30 menopause parameter.
My point is you could have started with <15 or it could have dropped. It's a guess but I would presume it's working. If it drops further to <12 or <10, then you will know for sure. The annoying thing is the docs never clarify, what level they want it to get to to, considering all the consequences of extremely low estrogen. The imbalance between estrogen and progesterone over time appaently also causes a lot of mood changes, and is hard on the family members as well.

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@ruth7

Just wondering about your blood draw. If you did not have the blood test prior to starting AI. How do you know that it's working? I haven't even begun AI and my estrogen tested <18. I've been menopausal for about 10 years. So it's way below <30 menopause parameter.
My point is you could have started with <15 or it could have dropped. It's a guess but I would presume it's working. If it drops further to <12 or <10, then you will know for sure. The annoying thing is the docs never clarify, what level they want it to get to to, considering all the consequences of extremely low estrogen. The imbalance between estrogen and progesterone over time appaently also causes a lot of mood changes, and is hard on the family members as well.

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I’m not at all happy that I wasn’t tested before ( although I had requested it). Since We count on this AI to be effective we should be able to measure its effectiveness!

<15 could be the lowest the lab can get to and yes I have asked the oncologist to check in with the hospital lab but she seemed completely unconcerned with the number and did the test because I insisted… wish I had in the beginning ( when my head was swimming).

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These meds have been tested in their effectiveness in reducing estradiol levels below a detectable level. Femara did this even at 20% of the normal dose. After menopause, the adrenals continue to produce an amount of hormone that is enough to feed certain cancers, but not over the 15 lab limit, it seems. I don't understand the point of testing levels of hormones in our body before and after. I think it is more relevant to determine how responsive our cancers are to hormones in the first place. Last post- don't want to debate!

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