Recurring Occipital Neuralgia

Posted by anniebrook @anniebrook, Jul 21, 2022

Hi my name is anne. I have talked bout my chronic pain on here before,the list is to long to repeat but this is a relatively new one for me since 2017. I have to be my own advocate and give my GP my own diagnosis. I started with pain in my scalp behind my ears,worse on the right,in July 2017. It comes back for weeks on end every 6-12mths. It is so debilitating and NON STOP. I have had antibiotics a few time for what I thought was Occipital sinusitis but the last few times it didn't work so Neuralgia is MY new diagnosis. I do have some auto immune stuff going on along with OA everywhere.I'm an almost 69yr young Grannie/Great Grannie who feels with all my pain I am just sitting waiting to die. Has anyone tried Biologics or Bio-similars for OA of the spine ? Thanks guys.

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The large skin line that is approximately 2 fingerbreadths above the sternal notch is directly over the C5-C6 disc which is the most common disc to produce this type headache.

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@fibromyalgia001

Occipital headaches are also called cervicogenic headaches. If they are of cervical disc origin there is tenderness when the lower cervical spine is gently palpated. I say gently, because too firm pressure may aggravate the headache. See: https://fibromyalgia001.wordpress.com/article/headache-of-cervical-origin-2qn8r9qkhe4vd-4/

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dealing with this too not fun got to be careful Barb

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@anniebrook

Thank you for your reply. If the Rheumatologists are not interested in us then why the hell does everything I read that asks 'if you have this symptom or that symptom get referred to a Rheumatologist as soon as you can to slow the progression and alleviate some of the pain" ? This is in everything I have read so where are those people that are supposed to help people like us ? Where are these people that could help our children because I know this is hereditary in my family.My Gran,My mum,Me and now My 2 oldest daughters are struggling with pain issues and My son has issues with pain in his neck and shoulder than he puts down he is heavy job.My youngest daughter who is 39 is starting with thumb and big toe pain.I worry for my 6 Granddaughters and now my GREAT-Grandchildren if there is no research into this disease.

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@anniebrook My severe headache that I've had for 3 months (pain all over face, jawbones, ears, sides of head, occipital region, neck, upper back, even upper arm pain was diagnosed by my Neurologist as whiplash. It hurt to even lie on either side when sleeping because the slighted pressure on my jaw bone on either side caused immense pain. And I'm a side sleeper.

I told her based on what I've read, I thought she would diagnose me with Occipital Neuralgia. The Neurologist told me they are the same thing. Has anyone else heard this?

I am taking muscle relaxers, myofascial therapy, and she recommends a nerve block. I had a plasma rich protein injection and 2 days later, the pain throughout my head is gone (which is huge) but I still have neck and upper shoulder pain.

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@bustrbrwn22

@anniebrook My severe headache that I've had for 3 months (pain all over face, jawbones, ears, sides of head, occipital region, neck, upper back, even upper arm pain was diagnosed by my Neurologist as whiplash. It hurt to even lie on either side when sleeping because the slighted pressure on my jaw bone on either side caused immense pain. And I'm a side sleeper.

I told her based on what I've read, I thought she would diagnose me with Occipital Neuralgia. The Neurologist told me they are the same thing. Has anyone else heard this?

I am taking muscle relaxers, myofascial therapy, and she recommends a nerve block. I had a plasma rich protein injection and 2 days later, the pain throughout my head is gone (which is huge) but I still have neck and upper shoulder pain.

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Try accpuncture but don't give up. I have the same kind of pain. Accpuncture seems to help. I get it twice a week it took about 4 months now the pain is leaving gradually.

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@anniebrook

Thank you for your reply. If the Rheumatologists are not interested in us then why the hell does everything I read that asks 'if you have this symptom or that symptom get referred to a Rheumatologist as soon as you can to slow the progression and alleviate some of the pain" ? This is in everything I have read so where are those people that are supposed to help people like us ? Where are these people that could help our children because I know this is hereditary in my family.My Gran,My mum,Me and now My 2 oldest daughters are struggling with pain issues and My son has issues with pain in his neck and shoulder than he puts down he is heavy job.My youngest daughter who is 39 is starting with thumb and big toe pain.I worry for my 6 Granddaughters and now my GREAT-Grandchildren if there is no research into this disease.

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This is JoJo. I believe a lot of this is hereditary and also comes naturally as you age. I’m 60, so kind of young on the age spectrum. But also from what you did in your teenage years and twenty’s. I played a lot of sports (hit in the head a lot with LaCross). Helped my granddaddy on the farm hauling hay. My back is shot. Minor scoliosis, degenerative disc disease, osteoporosis, osteoarthritis, 4 spots (thoracic and lumbar) this is not bothering me at the moment. My whole neck is compressed with occipital neuralgia on right side, severe stenosis, and bulging disc. I’ve had shots in the occipital nerve that last about 3 months. Now My whole head hurts, neck and upper back and shoulders. Neurosurgeon wants to fuse C1-C-2 with a cage for the stenosis and repair bulging disc. I go to bed in pain and wake up in pain. My orthopedic gave me Duloxitine for nerve pain. It does help. The neurosurgeon was kind of nonchalant about it like no big deal. I do have a lot of medical knowledge and this is a serious surgery. It’s risky and still may not relieve the pain. But the stenosis needs to be fixed if I don’t want to end up in a wheelchair. I’ve put it off because I haven’t found a surgeon that I like. I have 2 beautiful grandsons I help with. I live with my son. But I’ve seen posts of taking a long time to heal and I can’t afford to be out of work that long. And I won’t be able to take care of my 10 month old grandson. I was also a gymnast till I was 18. My body used and abused. I smoked and drank beer. They blame it on that. My mother’s younger sister has same issues with psoriatic arthritis, I have exzema. She said I should see a rheumatologist. I live in SC. They refuse to see me. But in PA where I’m from they will because they’re linking psoriasis and eczema in the same group. And all these specialists want money upfront even though I have insurance. Another reason I’ve put it off. Nothing free here. Before Covid it wasn’t like that. You paid your part after insurance. Anyone else with any answers or suggestions to any of this would be greatly appreciated. I feel for all of you as people don’t realize how painful it is.

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@jojo58

This is JoJo. I believe a lot of this is hereditary and also comes naturally as you age. I’m 60, so kind of young on the age spectrum. But also from what you did in your teenage years and twenty’s. I played a lot of sports (hit in the head a lot with LaCross). Helped my granddaddy on the farm hauling hay. My back is shot. Minor scoliosis, degenerative disc disease, osteoporosis, osteoarthritis, 4 spots (thoracic and lumbar) this is not bothering me at the moment. My whole neck is compressed with occipital neuralgia on right side, severe stenosis, and bulging disc. I’ve had shots in the occipital nerve that last about 3 months. Now My whole head hurts, neck and upper back and shoulders. Neurosurgeon wants to fuse C1-C-2 with a cage for the stenosis and repair bulging disc. I go to bed in pain and wake up in pain. My orthopedic gave me Duloxitine for nerve pain. It does help. The neurosurgeon was kind of nonchalant about it like no big deal. I do have a lot of medical knowledge and this is a serious surgery. It’s risky and still may not relieve the pain. But the stenosis needs to be fixed if I don’t want to end up in a wheelchair. I’ve put it off because I haven’t found a surgeon that I like. I have 2 beautiful grandsons I help with. I live with my son. But I’ve seen posts of taking a long time to heal and I can’t afford to be out of work that long. And I won’t be able to take care of my 10 month old grandson. I was also a gymnast till I was 18. My body used and abused. I smoked and drank beer. They blame it on that. My mother’s younger sister has same issues with psoriatic arthritis, I have exzema. She said I should see a rheumatologist. I live in SC. They refuse to see me. But in PA where I’m from they will because they’re linking psoriasis and eczema in the same group. And all these specialists want money upfront even though I have insurance. Another reason I’ve put it off. Nothing free here. Before Covid it wasn’t like that. You paid your part after insurance. Anyone else with any answers or suggestions to any of this would be greatly appreciated. I feel for all of you as people don’t realize how painful it is.

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JoJo here. I need to edit 4 spots of stenosis in my back. Currently not bad enough to have surgery

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@jojo58

This is JoJo. I believe a lot of this is hereditary and also comes naturally as you age. I’m 60, so kind of young on the age spectrum. But also from what you did in your teenage years and twenty’s. I played a lot of sports (hit in the head a lot with LaCross). Helped my granddaddy on the farm hauling hay. My back is shot. Minor scoliosis, degenerative disc disease, osteoporosis, osteoarthritis, 4 spots (thoracic and lumbar) this is not bothering me at the moment. My whole neck is compressed with occipital neuralgia on right side, severe stenosis, and bulging disc. I’ve had shots in the occipital nerve that last about 3 months. Now My whole head hurts, neck and upper back and shoulders. Neurosurgeon wants to fuse C1-C-2 with a cage for the stenosis and repair bulging disc. I go to bed in pain and wake up in pain. My orthopedic gave me Duloxitine for nerve pain. It does help. The neurosurgeon was kind of nonchalant about it like no big deal. I do have a lot of medical knowledge and this is a serious surgery. It’s risky and still may not relieve the pain. But the stenosis needs to be fixed if I don’t want to end up in a wheelchair. I’ve put it off because I haven’t found a surgeon that I like. I have 2 beautiful grandsons I help with. I live with my son. But I’ve seen posts of taking a long time to heal and I can’t afford to be out of work that long. And I won’t be able to take care of my 10 month old grandson. I was also a gymnast till I was 18. My body used and abused. I smoked and drank beer. They blame it on that. My mother’s younger sister has same issues with psoriatic arthritis, I have exzema. She said I should see a rheumatologist. I live in SC. They refuse to see me. But in PA where I’m from they will because they’re linking psoriasis and eczema in the same group. And all these specialists want money upfront even though I have insurance. Another reason I’ve put it off. Nothing free here. Before Covid it wasn’t like that. You paid your part after insurance. Anyone else with any answers or suggestions to any of this would be greatly appreciated. I feel for all of you as people don’t realize how painful it is.

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Hey there @jojo58, I'm Rachel, it's nice to meet you. You sure have a lot going on and what I've gathered from your post is you are an overachiever, active and dare I ask....a little bit of a perfectionist? If I'm right, well, it takes one to know one. 😉

Although I don't have experience with spinal surgeries, my fellow mentor @jenniferhunter does. Have you spoke with Jennifer yet?

You mention holding off on surgery. That's wise considering it should be the absolute last measure. My experience falls on the rehabilitation side of chronic pain management. I've graduated Mayo's Comprehensive Pain Rehabilitation Center. Are you familiar with the program? I'm wondering if that might be a good direction for you to go in?
Here's a link about the Mayo PRC:

https://www.mayoclinic.org/departments-centers/pain-rehabilitation-center/sections/overview/ovc-20481691

My draw to the program was based on past failed treatments like epidurals, nerve blocks ablations, physical therapy, chiropractic, acupuncture, MFR, Botox, migraine injections etc... I was physically deconditioned and emotionally stressed by my physical changes which recreated this new sucky life. Now I am self managing and in better control using my tools from Mayo. It's hard work but incredibly rewarding.

Jojo, you are beaming from here about your grandkids! I know what it's like to want to keep up with work and kids and lifestyle all while in chronic pain. Do you think a different approach such as pain rehabilitation would be beneficial for you? Just a thought. I look forward to hearing back from you.

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@bustrbrwn22

@anniebrook My severe headache that I've had for 3 months (pain all over face, jawbones, ears, sides of head, occipital region, neck, upper back, even upper arm pain was diagnosed by my Neurologist as whiplash. It hurt to even lie on either side when sleeping because the slighted pressure on my jaw bone on either side caused immense pain. And I'm a side sleeper.

I told her based on what I've read, I thought she would diagnose me with Occipital Neuralgia. The Neurologist told me they are the same thing. Has anyone else heard this?

I am taking muscle relaxers, myofascial therapy, and she recommends a nerve block. I had a plasma rich protein injection and 2 days later, the pain throughout my head is gone (which is huge) but I still have neck and upper shoulder pain.

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Ooooo Poor you. Dr's here in BC are not at all 'pro active' I suppose because most of what they could PX is covered by the Government but are too scared to Px it due to cost. When my head/behind ear pain started it seemed to come on with an ear infection and now I get the pain every 6mth or so lasting around 6 weeks so by the time I would get a referral it would be gone. I am seeing a Rhuemoatologist on Monday in Vancouver and I have read great things about him so fingers crossed. I'm sure all mine is 'auto-immine' problems. I'm like you it sounds like because I don't know which end of my body the pain starts and finishes,I sometimes think it's from the hips up and then think "O'h no it's my neck down". When I asked a friend of mine in her 50's was she going to our RMT for back pain she said "O'h I don't have pain I just like the massage" it hit me like a brick "what do you mean you don't have pain" ? then "What's that like"? I'm 69 in Nov so next May 10th I will have had pain for exactly 40yrs,I cannot imagine the joy I would feel to be pain free,better than any lottery win ! Heres wishing pain free for everyone on here.

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