Autonomic Nervous system vs dysautonomia
I have reviewed the autonomic nervous system threads as well as dysautonomia threads and I have not seen this topic addressed so I thought I would post it as a new thread and maybe I can get some answers because it seems like many doctors can't give me the right answer.
Several doctors feel I have an autonomic nervous system breakdown and then one other cardiologist thought I had Dysautonomia.
My question is there's always listed 15 different types of dysautonomias but I do not fit into any of the 15 categories.
So can I have autonomic nervous system problems and symptoms without having to be fit or put into one of those 15 different types of dysautonomia? I have not seen this address or answered anywhere and I've been searching and looking so I thought I would start a new thread. Thank you very much if anybody has any input regarding my question.
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Sure, it was idiopathic neuropathy only. Any other health woes I may have today are post-neuropathy onset. The neuropathy has limited the use of my hands and feet. My professional requires a lot of computer proficiency and my fingers don’t type adequately. Carrying things to meetings would require assistance that companies, even large ones, can’t afford. If I had a talking/mental job, I could probably do it, but medications have side effects to deal with. I think the bottom line would be how your main doctor caring for you assesses your ability. The sad thing is, we all believe the system has been abused, and it has… so sadly, it makes it harder and intimidating for those in real need to apply and prove.
@dbeshears1 Thanks again. Yes, sadly the system has been abused. Like you said, I would much rather work, feel well enough to do so, and make my full salary I worked so hard to achieve. I have idiopathic small fiber neuropathy and autonomic neuropathy. So far I haven’t found medication that helps with the widespread pain, daily constant headaches, and all the symptoms of the autonomic dysfunction. I have an appointment with Mayo Neurology in a couple weeks. They’ve already ordered more tests based on the medical records I sent them, despite the positive diagnosis from the punch biopsy, so I’m hopeful for better care and insights for my condition. I appreciate all that you shared with me! Wishing you well. Hugs! Robyn
Thanks Robyn - Hugs to you too! I'd like to hear how your Mayo visit goes. Jacksonville would be about an 8 hour drive for me, but I am considering getting a referral there. Duke is 5 hours, so still an overnight, so I would prefer Mayo. I went to Duke once, at onset, but they did nothing at all but review what my local neurologist in Myrtle Beach and "specialists" at MUSC in Charleston did (I lived in SC at that time). Both Duke and MUSC added nothing to my care but a lot of out of pocket $$$, to tell me we should just wait 6 months and see what happens!! Well, it's been 5 1/2 years of "watching to see what hapens"; I decided I didn't need to travel back to Due or MUSC since neither of them could explain next steps or an action plan before me putting out more $$$ and enduring the travel hardships associated with being disabled and needing assistance. So we moved to the Charlotte area of NC and hope I can get care locally without travel hardships. When we moved here, it was at the Pandemic start, and I came with a throat cancer diagnosis (long story of another MUSC error of not telling me or primary doctor of an abnormal growth they found in a CT Scan a year earlier... I found & read the test result myself when I was collecting records for my move to NC). Anyway, cancer tests and treatment became the priority for a year; so after 5 1/2 years, I have started to advocate and push more to stop the "let's watch and see what happens" and do whatever tests and explorations that might make sense to do; and, for what we just really aren't able to figure out after trying, to help provide medical guidance and therapy on how to best manage the condition. I have learned so much from this forum here, the mentors and facilitators and contributors here are so helpful and encouraging. I wish you well, please let me know how Mayo goes! Debbie
Wow, what a journey you have been on! I’m so sorry for all you’ve been through! If we aren’t our own health advocates who knows where we’d be. I am very grateful for my original neurologist, after years of not knowing what was wrong with me, he knew what it was with just our first visit, then did the biopsy to confirm. We haven’t made any progress with any treatment which is why I am going to Mayo. They are only a 45 minute drive for me, I am very fortunate. Between the appointment with the neurologist and the tests, it will be close to a 6 hour visit! I’ll let you know how it goes! I agree, this forum has been so helpful! I’m very grateful to have stumbled upon it! I’ll reply back after my 4/29 visit. Robyn
Joanne, I’m so sorry you are going through this. A lot of us that have Small
Fiber Sensory Neuropathy and Autonomic Neuropathy had to deal with exactly what your going through. I know you must feel like the doctors think it’s all in you head, but it’s not. Please consider finding a neurologist who deals with just neuropathy’s. That’s when my treatment turned around and I finally found someone who knew the disease inside and out. Until you find a neurologists like that you are probably going to not get the help you deserve.
My heart goes out to you.
@dbeshears1 Hi Debbie-
I wanted to follow up with you, as promised. I had my Mayo visit on Friday. It was a very long day, I was there 8 hours! I started with my appointment with the doctor. She spent over an hour with me! I’ve never had a doctor spend that much time in one appointment to listen and examine. Following that, I moved on to series of tests (she ordered them based off my medical records I sent weeks prior). By the time I got home, the doctor had already interpreted the results of some of the tests (others are lab work and take a few more days for results). Additionally, she ordered a bunch of other tests (2 pages worth), to be scheduled. My diagnoses of small fiber neuropathy and autonomic dysfunction were definitive prior to my Mayo appointment but she wants to make sure we’re not missing anything else. She’s VERY thorough. As a result of the autonomic reflex testing she had me do, we’ve confirmed I also have POTS (postural orthostatic tachycardia syndrome). She gave me the harsh reality that this is all here to stay, which sounds hopeless, but she wants to put me through the Mayo pain rehabilitation/management program. I don’t know much about it but it is a 3 week out-patient program (all day, 5 days a week for 3 weeks) that ultimately gives you the tools you need to manage the chronic pain. She said it’s hard but it’s a very successful program. I am familiar with Mayo and their world-class quality of care, as my dad is a Mayo cancer patient, but being a patient myself, I’m even more impressed, if that were possible. Im so grateful for the doctor and feel like she is genuinely invested in me and improving my quality of life. All that said, if it makes sense for you logistically, it may be worth seeking an appointment at Mayo. I researched the neurologist prior to making my appointment as they all have specific areas of focus. When I made the appointment, I requested the doctor I thought seemed like the best fit based on my needs and her areas of focus. They explained to me that they review my information and pair me with the doctor best suited for me; So while they seem to thoughtfully appoint a doctor to you, it might make sense to research them on the Mayo website before making your appointment. I hope this information is helpful. Wishing you the best! ~Robyn
Thanks for sharing Robyn! I am glad you were so pleased. Isn’t the largest part of our battle and acceptance having the right doctor who you feel has been thorough in concluding the final diagnosis (or non-diagnosis), understanding, compassionate, helpful, and a true partner in helping adjust to our conditions and maximize our utility and comfort going forward? It sounds like you found that with your Mayo doctor and experience, and I am very happy for you!!
Wow on the pain management program. I would have never guessed it was such a long program, but I’ve heard a few others on here talk highly of Mayo’s program. I guess like Physical Therapy and other treatments, it takes many sessions to adjust and learn best ways to relieve and strengthen the areas needed and develop new habits, which invariably helps our mental status while we live life as full as possible. It sounds like with the Mayo program, you get the great benefit of being observed daily to make sure you start out on the right course, and make adjustments immediately if needed to have you steered in the right direction up front for optimal success in treatment. That sure beats the approach most of work out with doctors: trying one thing, followup next appointment in month or two, try something else, and 2 years later they’re still working at the right formula. It sounds like Mayo likes to cut ti the chase and get it right as possible up front!
I’m so happy to hear if your positive experience, and again, thanks so much for sharing, and and giving us hope for experiences like yours! Keep fighting!
Hello Robyn, My name is Liz and I am new to this forum or site. I am looking for any tips or help you would suggest to get me seen by Mayo. I have applied 3 times over the years and been rejected to being seen by Mayo. I too have autonomic disfunction which has greatly negatively impacted my life. I have been unable to work for last few years and my condition is getting worse. I had applied to the Mayo group that helps individuals figure out what is wrong with them, maybe that was not the right group. I like many others have been to Doctor after Doctor and still I am deteriorating. I feel like if A Dr could identify the cause of my Disautonomia I could get better treatment and help. I am on meds that just TRY and help with symptoms and think they are probably contributing to other problem symptoms. If you or anyone reading could point me in the right direction I would greatly appreciate it. Telling me how you applied or set up your appointment would be so helpful. I am assuming from what I have read that Most patients are starting with neurology, not sure so If you could let me know which department, that would be very helpful!
I would be happy to share my experiences with applying for Soc. Security (SSD) disability, they were not as smooth as Debbie’s. I was finally approved at the end of last year. I also have experience with Work related Insurance Disability which I was approved for, taken off/ rejected & after Attorney involvement, reapproved and put back on.
Any help you can give is appreciated. I am also going to post on the bigger Disauto post to see if any help there. Thank you for your time. Liz
@lahjuly4 Hi Liz! Welcome to Mayo Connect. I stumbled upon this site several months ago and have found it very beneficial. People here are so supportive and it's comforting to be able to connect with people who REALLY understand what you're going through. You can subscribe to chats that are most relevant and gain invaluable insights. I hope you find it as helpful and comforting as I do.
May I ask which Mayo location you've tried to get an appointment with? I live in Phoenix, AZ and my Mayo Neurologist is in Scottsdale, AZ. Have they given a reason why you were denied an appointment? Could it be that your insurance isn't accepted?
I did a search on the Mayo website of Arizona based Neurologists. From there, I read the bios of each of the Neurologists and saw that one of them has a special focus on autonomic dysfunction as it coexists with headaches. That seemed like a perfect match for me (and it truly has been). Then I checked my insurance website to ensure that doctor is covered in my plan. After that, I called Mayo to schedule the appointment. They informed me I may not be scheduled with that doctor but they would schedule me with one that would meet my needs. Luckily, I got an appointment with the doctor I was hoping for. When I called to make the appointment, I explained I was diagnosed with small fiber neuropathy, autonomic dysfunction and I suffer from chronic headaches and that I was looking for a second opinion on a treatment plan and to potentially transition my care to Mayo. They called me back after a couple days and said I was "approved for triage" (still not sure what that meant lol) but that I needed to have all of my relevant medical records sent to them before scheduling. After I had records sent, I called back to make the appointment. To sum it up, first make sure your insurance covers Mayo doctors and that Mayo accepts your insurance. Then call to request an appointment with Neurology.
I'm sorry to hear your experience with disability was so difficult. Clearly it wasn't understood how bad this condition really can be for a person. Again, it's one of the best things about this forum; you will connect with people who truly understand and empathize.
Do you mind sharing a little more about your symptoms, how you were diagnosed, how long you've been suffering? What treatments have you tried?
I hope the information I provided is helpful. Feel free to ask more questions. I am here for you.
Wishing you well,
Robyn
I have been diagnosed with Dysautonomia by my PC dr but there was no mention of a type. POTS and the inability to tolerate hot or cold temperatures and low barometric pressure days was what caused my dr to diagnose me with Dysautonomia. He put me on Florinef and the supplement Pregnenolone to hold up and stabilize my BP.