@darlenedallas I do not have a Phonak hearing aid but I have tried the original Roger pen with my Resound hearing aids. For those that do not have Phonak aids, I had to use a Roger accessory to get the sound to my aids. In my case, since I have telecoils, I was able to use the Roger accessory without using headphones. I was impressed with the Roger pen. The clarity was phenomenal. It did a very good job in a noisy restaurant. I haven't tried any of the newer Roger products though. I'd love to get my hands on their newer products for review.
Tony in Michigan